Omegle.com
So it's been awhile... a long while... but I dont have anything new for you... not really anyway. What I do have is my love for a fairly new website, that Derick told me about tonight. Called Omegle, it's pretty much a one on one chatroom, with infinite possibilities.
Derick told me that all he gets are furries and scataholics, but I seemed to get a fairly intelligent person, at least for my first try. We did slip into some 4chan talk at the end, but all in all, it was quite engaging. And now I want to post it. So here you go, unedited, and uncut. Enjoy! (It's under a cut, because it is LONG!)
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Looking for someone you can chat with. Hang on.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You: yo
Stranger: do you believe in god?
You: is this a trick question?
Stranger: no
You: can i say that im agnostic?
Stranger: no
You: well... that defies answering then..
Stranger: agnostics are pussies
You: not true
Stranger: true
You: explain
Stranger: because the answer to the question "does god exist?" DOES have a definite answer
Stranger: even if we don't know it yet
You: well... i'll give you that
Stranger: treat it as a scientific theory
Stranger: which it is
You: but i dont have a outlook that states "yay" or "nay" at this point in my life, so im agnostic, im open to the possibility, but unsure of the possibility at the same time
Stranger: i guess the real distinction is, like richard dawkins says, a "temporary agnostic in practice" or a "permanent agnostic in principle
You: how is that being a pussy
Stranger: because you think there might be a god
You: i'd like to be scientific about all of this, but the fact is, its pretty exemplary that we are where we are as a species
Stranger: no, it isn't
You: to say its all natural, is a stretch, and to say its divine, is also a stretch
Stranger: read the god delusion
Stranger: it only had to happen ONCE
Stranger: then darwinism took it all from there
Stranger: and darwinism is perfectly logical
You: i agree
Stranger: think about the size of the universe
Stranger: how many planets there are
You: i cant, its too big
Stranger: now, even if the odds were 1 in a billion
Stranger: it would still happen on probably billions of plaents
Stranger: have the capacity for life i should say
You: i would have to agree that life, in any of its forms, is out there
You: probably in our own solar system
Stranger: most probable
You: ok... well, getting back to your original question
You: what does life on multiple planets, in multiple galaxies, across light years of space and time, have to do with god?
You: you beleive that god formed all life?
Stranger: that's the idea of a god
Stranger: a conscious creator
Stranger: and obviously i don't believe god formed life
Stranger: because god doesn't exist
You: well now, there it sits
You: so, im a pussy, because i wont make that claim?
You: im not unwilling to make that claim for the fact of fear
Stranger: that's what almost all agnostics i know secretly harbor
Stranger: pascal
You: im unwilling to make that claim because there is no way i can, or probably ever will, know what truly lies out there
You: human life is but a candle wick in time
Stranger: and that's exactly the defeatist attitude richard dawkins attacks
Stranger: but you admitted that the existence of god is a scientific question
Stranger: there IS an answer to that
Stranger: do you know how many times prominent scientists have claimed that we would never be able to know something?
You: all scientific questions have an answer... even if it turns out to be incorrect
Stranger: but not all of them have answers right now
Stranger: so it's defeatist to just sit back and say we probably won't ever be able to find out
You: so how do you propose i quarrel with the issue of a yay or nay answer to this conundrum
You: i can say yes, i can say no, but that doesnt make it right either way
You: because ultimately, i can be disproven
Stranger: that's the whole idea of science
Stranger: nothing would ever be discovered if someone didn't put forth their theory
You: i dont think there is anything wrong, with being wrong
You: i dont think that at all
Stranger: and then it's put to the test
Stranger: of course not... in fact, science needs wrongness
You: but, its hard to test something that ultimately is out of our grasp
Stranger: but there you go again
You: dont you agree that god, is out of our grasp?
Stranger: no
You: ok, wait
You: if you mean, that god, as a being made up by human life, is a model for control... then i agree with you, it is not out of our grasp, because it is a form of control
You: im speaking in terms of a serious existential question here... like, a being... that is intangible
Stranger: once again, defeatist
Stranger: they didn't think we'd ever be able to determine the chemical compositions of stars either
Stranger: and ultimately, if it's a scientific question there IS an answer out there
Stranger: even if it seems beyond all our technology
You: stalemate?
Stranger: of course, the christians will just say "god is beyond all human logic"
You: fuck the christians
Stranger: and i reject that as a cop-out
You: psychophantic puppets
Stranger: science has already defeated religion
Stranger: the battle is over
You: or however that is spelled
You: i will agree with you on that, 100%, if you look at the decline of major religion, it is going downhill... fast
You: and, i wont miss it
Stranger: are you an american?>
You: yes
Stranger: i am too
You: state?
Stranger: and unfortunately we seem to be the only civilized nation who is so obliviously idiotic when it comes to religion
Stranger: massachusetts
You: im in washington, not DC
Stranger: state?
Stranger: as in washington state
You: there are alot of european nations who still cling to many of their daily catholic ideals
You: yes
You: i always say washington, and people assume DC
Stranger: poland is a pretty backwards country
You: i know a few people who were raised catholic, and it strikes me as interesting that most of them have strayed so far from the church, and especially the vatican
Stranger: i was raised catholic
Stranger: i even have gone to catholic school all my life
Stranger: anyone with a brain can see what bullshit it is
Stranger: they're either just brainwashed or closet atheists who are scared
You: it is somewhat more rare to find it on the west coast -- agreed
You: so you spent all your school years in catholic school
Stranger: yep
You: yikes
You: all i gotta say
You: my parents used to force me to go to sunday school, but it was lutheran
You: we didnt do much
You: sing, and talk about jesus, and... all the made up story book tales
Stranger: i was forced to go to church until the time i was 15 or so
You: what happened at that point?
Stranger: confirmation ;)
You: blood of christ, yadda yadda?
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: reject satan etc.
Stranger: sure whatever
Stranger: the good thing is it means you're considered a mature adult in the church
Stranger: and can make your own decisions
Stranger: of course my decision is to sleep in sunday mornings
Stranger: plus you get a shitload of money from family members
You: i'm a server, i work brunch on sunday mornings... but it's a hell of a lot better than going to church...
You: like, 1000% better
Stranger: church is the worst thing ever
You: shit
You: i cant word this right
You: ok
You: so, i have a five year old child
You: and im young, 25
You: she has never been to church, except with her mom
You: and somedays i feel like i've deprived her of the right to choose
You: but, she is unable to make choices at her stage in life
Stranger: exactly
Stranger: and that's what religion (especially catholicism) preys on
Stranger: you're a catholic from the moment you're conceived
You: and when she is older, she will not be ingraitiated with the idea of church
You: so, she will probably never be involved in it
Stranger: she has better things to do at 5
You: and despite my personal anti-church ideals, i feel like it isnt fair to shape the outcome of her spiritial life because of my own beleifs
You: does that make sense?
Stranger: in a way
Stranger: but also remember that organized religion is SOLELY based off of that very idea
Stranger: pushing your beliefs on others
You: i see what you mean
You: i was about to say, that i wouldnt be pushing my beleifs on her, because i dont beleive in church
Stranger: but it's different because you're advocating the lack of belief
Stranger: yeah
You: however, when she got there, they would
Stranger: whereas they're saying if you don't believe in a magic sky wizard who sent his carpenter son down to earth 2000 years ago to sacrifice himself to save humans from the sin that he himself should have anticipated being omniscient, you're going to hell
You: heaven and hell are made up ideas
You: i know that
You: even if i dont know about god
Stranger: that's the greatest control aspect of religion
You: that doesnt mean i dont beleive in the soul
Stranger: do animals have souls then?
You: that doesnt keep me from eating them
Stranger: do they?
You: i dont know
Stranger: well then why would we have souls
Stranger: if we have souls, animals must
You: soul is just the buzzword...
You: in my mind
You: soul would refer to the inner being of a person, it doesnt have to be spiritual
You: not all cats have the same behavior
Stranger: and why would this have developed in the evolutionary sense
Stranger: because that's all there is
You: they are shaped by the other animals around them, they react differently to different stimuli
You: same thing goes with pretty much all creatures of a higher intelligence
Stranger: that's all darwinian
Stranger: that's not "soul"
You: well, there is the distinct possibility that my idea of the soul is simply not being forgotten
You: i remember my first pet, i dont think she is coming back
You: but i will remember her until i die
You: is it wrong to thing of that as the soul of creatures, and especially, other human life?
You: think*
You: memories are different, they can be intangible, they dont have to require other life to be created
Stranger: i would say soul is a very strong word considering its connotation
You: you can remember that time you dropped a brick on your foot when you were making a garden
You: but remembering how someone or something affected you as a person, and the persistence of that, is different
Stranger: but then doesn't that die when you die?
You: not to the people you have touched, or helped shape
You: it certainly doesnt last forever
You: more than a few generations, probably not
You: but people's imprint themselves on each other, more than any other creature on earth, or anywhere, as far as we know
Stranger: right, and i'll argue that that's nothing more than simple species-species in-group interaction
You: then what is the point? dont get me wrong, i hope to live a full life, and raise my child to be an active member of society, and fulfill all the things that are expected of us as a species... but seriously.. what is the fucking point?
Stranger: you mean why don't i just kill myself then?
You: no
You: because that helps no one
You: i mean, why do we continue to thrive as a species, why continue to procreate... the end may not be nigh, but this planet will die before we do
Stranger: you mean we'll end before the planet does
You: well... in the idea of being a empty barren rock, yes
You: but, look at this planet
You: humans have ravaged it, it is doomed
You: you ever read HG Well's "The Time Machine"
Stranger: biologically it's got millions of years left in it
Stranger: i did when i was younger
You: at some point, Earth will be just like it is in that book, near the end
You: a tidally locked planet, getting ready to sink into its hub star
You: people will be gone, but not all life perhaps
You: its inevitable, despite a destructive species
You: but we arnt helping it, not one bit
You: so, what is the point
Stranger: and that's the folly of super-intelligence
Stranger: the point is that we're ehre
Stranger: here
You: how did you hear about this site?
Stranger: a place called 4chan
You: HAHAHA
You: no fucking way
Stranger: it's the pit of the internet
You: yes, yes it is
You: i stay away from 4chan
Stranger: but once you start going
You: my step bro told me about this tonight
Stranger: you can't get away
You: and he is upset with me, because as he put it "you got someone intelligent?"
Stranger: i never get americans
You: he is sad because all he gets are furries and people who want to talk about scat
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: that's /b/
You: the closest i get to 4chan, is reading about its rediculousness on EncyDram
Stranger: yeah, that website has all the memes and shit
You: its like wikipedia, but for only the cesspool's of the internet
Stranger: yes
You: and... i enjoy it
You: quilty pleasure i guess
You: i dont smoke, so i figure i'm owed
Stranger: /b/ is FBI heaven
If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it.
You: LOL, check it: "If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it."
You: that seems... odd
Stranger: haha, i got it too
Stranger: it's probably because /b/ loves to fuck with people
Stranger: i've seen them do that before
Stranger: they make this fake FBI log thing
If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it.
Stranger: and pretend to be like underage
Stranger: then they post this detailed, official-looking chat log
Stranger: saying that a unit is on its way or something
You: holy hell, sounds like a 4chan thing
Stranger: it is
Stranger: that's /b/
You: is it like, a personal defense system
You: keep away the outsiders?
Stranger: 4chan?
You: yah
Stranger: it's just the internet hate machine
Stranger: however, when they motivate themselves to a cause, holy shit do people get fuckeed
Stranger: because the site gets millions of hits a day
You: i think one of my favorite "causes" is the internet white knights hating
Stranger: like the POOL'S CLOSED things or mckay hatch from the no cussing club
Stranger: once they find out your phone number/address
Stranger: but when random people just post like... their ex's phone number the response is "not your personal army"
You: oh man, talk about an internet hate crime
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: well i think i'm going to go to bed now, it's 4 AM here
You: fair enough
You: take care
Stranger: by the way
Stranger: i highly recommend Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion"
You: i'll write it down, and check it out this week, for sure
Stranger: he's an oxford evolutionary biology/zoology/etc. professor
Stranger: and an adamant atheist
Stranger: bye
Stranger: stay away from /b/
You: :P
You: kk
You: bye
Your conversational partner has disconnected.
Derick told me that all he gets are furries and scataholics, but I seemed to get a fairly intelligent person, at least for my first try. We did slip into some 4chan talk at the end, but all in all, it was quite engaging. And now I want to post it. So here you go, unedited, and uncut. Enjoy! (It's under a cut, because it is LONG!)
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Connecting to server...
Looking for someone you can chat with. Hang on.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You: yo
Stranger: do you believe in god?
You: is this a trick question?
Stranger: no
You: can i say that im agnostic?
Stranger: no
You: well... that defies answering then..
Stranger: agnostics are pussies
You: not true
Stranger: true
You: explain
Stranger: because the answer to the question "does god exist?" DOES have a definite answer
Stranger: even if we don't know it yet
You: well... i'll give you that
Stranger: treat it as a scientific theory
Stranger: which it is
You: but i dont have a outlook that states "yay" or "nay" at this point in my life, so im agnostic, im open to the possibility, but unsure of the possibility at the same time
Stranger: i guess the real distinction is, like richard dawkins says, a "temporary agnostic in practice" or a "permanent agnostic in principle
You: how is that being a pussy
Stranger: because you think there might be a god
You: i'd like to be scientific about all of this, but the fact is, its pretty exemplary that we are where we are as a species
Stranger: no, it isn't
You: to say its all natural, is a stretch, and to say its divine, is also a stretch
Stranger: read the god delusion
Stranger: it only had to happen ONCE
Stranger: then darwinism took it all from there
Stranger: and darwinism is perfectly logical
You: i agree
Stranger: think about the size of the universe
Stranger: how many planets there are
You: i cant, its too big
Stranger: now, even if the odds were 1 in a billion
Stranger: it would still happen on probably billions of plaents
Stranger: have the capacity for life i should say
You: i would have to agree that life, in any of its forms, is out there
You: probably in our own solar system
Stranger: most probable
You: ok... well, getting back to your original question
You: what does life on multiple planets, in multiple galaxies, across light years of space and time, have to do with god?
You: you beleive that god formed all life?
Stranger: that's the idea of a god
Stranger: a conscious creator
Stranger: and obviously i don't believe god formed life
Stranger: because god doesn't exist
You: well now, there it sits
You: so, im a pussy, because i wont make that claim?
You: im not unwilling to make that claim for the fact of fear
Stranger: that's what almost all agnostics i know secretly harbor
Stranger: pascal
You: im unwilling to make that claim because there is no way i can, or probably ever will, know what truly lies out there
You: human life is but a candle wick in time
Stranger: and that's exactly the defeatist attitude richard dawkins attacks
Stranger: but you admitted that the existence of god is a scientific question
Stranger: there IS an answer to that
Stranger: do you know how many times prominent scientists have claimed that we would never be able to know something?
You: all scientific questions have an answer... even if it turns out to be incorrect
Stranger: but not all of them have answers right now
Stranger: so it's defeatist to just sit back and say we probably won't ever be able to find out
You: so how do you propose i quarrel with the issue of a yay or nay answer to this conundrum
You: i can say yes, i can say no, but that doesnt make it right either way
You: because ultimately, i can be disproven
Stranger: that's the whole idea of science
Stranger: nothing would ever be discovered if someone didn't put forth their theory
You: i dont think there is anything wrong, with being wrong
You: i dont think that at all
Stranger: and then it's put to the test
Stranger: of course not... in fact, science needs wrongness
You: but, its hard to test something that ultimately is out of our grasp
Stranger: but there you go again
You: dont you agree that god, is out of our grasp?
Stranger: no
You: ok, wait
You: if you mean, that god, as a being made up by human life, is a model for control... then i agree with you, it is not out of our grasp, because it is a form of control
You: im speaking in terms of a serious existential question here... like, a being... that is intangible
Stranger: once again, defeatist
Stranger: they didn't think we'd ever be able to determine the chemical compositions of stars either
Stranger: and ultimately, if it's a scientific question there IS an answer out there
Stranger: even if it seems beyond all our technology
You: stalemate?
Stranger: of course, the christians will just say "god is beyond all human logic"
You: fuck the christians
Stranger: and i reject that as a cop-out
You: psychophantic puppets
Stranger: science has already defeated religion
Stranger: the battle is over
You: or however that is spelled
You: i will agree with you on that, 100%, if you look at the decline of major religion, it is going downhill... fast
You: and, i wont miss it
Stranger: are you an american?>
You: yes
Stranger: i am too
You: state?
Stranger: and unfortunately we seem to be the only civilized nation who is so obliviously idiotic when it comes to religion
Stranger: massachusetts
You: im in washington, not DC
Stranger: state?
Stranger: as in washington state
You: there are alot of european nations who still cling to many of their daily catholic ideals
You: yes
You: i always say washington, and people assume DC
Stranger: poland is a pretty backwards country
You: i know a few people who were raised catholic, and it strikes me as interesting that most of them have strayed so far from the church, and especially the vatican
Stranger: i was raised catholic
Stranger: i even have gone to catholic school all my life
Stranger: anyone with a brain can see what bullshit it is
Stranger: they're either just brainwashed or closet atheists who are scared
You: it is somewhat more rare to find it on the west coast -- agreed
You: so you spent all your school years in catholic school
Stranger: yep
You: yikes
You: all i gotta say
You: my parents used to force me to go to sunday school, but it was lutheran
You: we didnt do much
You: sing, and talk about jesus, and... all the made up story book tales
Stranger: i was forced to go to church until the time i was 15 or so
You: what happened at that point?
Stranger: confirmation ;)
You: blood of christ, yadda yadda?
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: reject satan etc.
Stranger: sure whatever
Stranger: the good thing is it means you're considered a mature adult in the church
Stranger: and can make your own decisions
Stranger: of course my decision is to sleep in sunday mornings
Stranger: plus you get a shitload of money from family members
You: i'm a server, i work brunch on sunday mornings... but it's a hell of a lot better than going to church...
You: like, 1000% better
Stranger: church is the worst thing ever
You: shit
You: i cant word this right
You: ok
You: so, i have a five year old child
You: and im young, 25
You: she has never been to church, except with her mom
You: and somedays i feel like i've deprived her of the right to choose
You: but, she is unable to make choices at her stage in life
Stranger: exactly
Stranger: and that's what religion (especially catholicism) preys on
Stranger: you're a catholic from the moment you're conceived
You: and when she is older, she will not be ingraitiated with the idea of church
You: so, she will probably never be involved in it
Stranger: she has better things to do at 5
You: and despite my personal anti-church ideals, i feel like it isnt fair to shape the outcome of her spiritial life because of my own beleifs
You: does that make sense?
Stranger: in a way
Stranger: but also remember that organized religion is SOLELY based off of that very idea
Stranger: pushing your beliefs on others
You: i see what you mean
You: i was about to say, that i wouldnt be pushing my beleifs on her, because i dont beleive in church
Stranger: but it's different because you're advocating the lack of belief
Stranger: yeah
You: however, when she got there, they would
Stranger: whereas they're saying if you don't believe in a magic sky wizard who sent his carpenter son down to earth 2000 years ago to sacrifice himself to save humans from the sin that he himself should have anticipated being omniscient, you're going to hell
You: heaven and hell are made up ideas
You: i know that
You: even if i dont know about god
Stranger: that's the greatest control aspect of religion
You: that doesnt mean i dont beleive in the soul
Stranger: do animals have souls then?
You: that doesnt keep me from eating them
Stranger: do they?
You: i dont know
Stranger: well then why would we have souls
Stranger: if we have souls, animals must
You: soul is just the buzzword...
You: in my mind
You: soul would refer to the inner being of a person, it doesnt have to be spiritual
You: not all cats have the same behavior
Stranger: and why would this have developed in the evolutionary sense
Stranger: because that's all there is
You: they are shaped by the other animals around them, they react differently to different stimuli
You: same thing goes with pretty much all creatures of a higher intelligence
Stranger: that's all darwinian
Stranger: that's not "soul"
You: well, there is the distinct possibility that my idea of the soul is simply not being forgotten
You: i remember my first pet, i dont think she is coming back
You: but i will remember her until i die
You: is it wrong to thing of that as the soul of creatures, and especially, other human life?
You: think*
You: memories are different, they can be intangible, they dont have to require other life to be created
Stranger: i would say soul is a very strong word considering its connotation
You: you can remember that time you dropped a brick on your foot when you were making a garden
You: but remembering how someone or something affected you as a person, and the persistence of that, is different
Stranger: but then doesn't that die when you die?
You: not to the people you have touched, or helped shape
You: it certainly doesnt last forever
You: more than a few generations, probably not
You: but people's imprint themselves on each other, more than any other creature on earth, or anywhere, as far as we know
Stranger: right, and i'll argue that that's nothing more than simple species-species in-group interaction
You: then what is the point? dont get me wrong, i hope to live a full life, and raise my child to be an active member of society, and fulfill all the things that are expected of us as a species... but seriously.. what is the fucking point?
Stranger: you mean why don't i just kill myself then?
You: no
You: because that helps no one
You: i mean, why do we continue to thrive as a species, why continue to procreate... the end may not be nigh, but this planet will die before we do
Stranger: you mean we'll end before the planet does
You: well... in the idea of being a empty barren rock, yes
You: but, look at this planet
You: humans have ravaged it, it is doomed
You: you ever read HG Well's "The Time Machine"
Stranger: biologically it's got millions of years left in it
Stranger: i did when i was younger
You: at some point, Earth will be just like it is in that book, near the end
You: a tidally locked planet, getting ready to sink into its hub star
You: people will be gone, but not all life perhaps
You: its inevitable, despite a destructive species
You: but we arnt helping it, not one bit
You: so, what is the point
Stranger: and that's the folly of super-intelligence
Stranger: the point is that we're ehre
Stranger: here
You: how did you hear about this site?
Stranger: a place called 4chan
You: HAHAHA
You: no fucking way
Stranger: it's the pit of the internet
You: yes, yes it is
You: i stay away from 4chan
Stranger: but once you start going
You: my step bro told me about this tonight
Stranger: you can't get away
You: and he is upset with me, because as he put it "you got someone intelligent?"
Stranger: i never get americans
You: he is sad because all he gets are furries and people who want to talk about scat
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: that's /b/
You: the closest i get to 4chan, is reading about its rediculousness on EncyDram
Stranger: yeah, that website has all the memes and shit
You: its like wikipedia, but for only the cesspool's of the internet
Stranger: yes
You: and... i enjoy it
You: quilty pleasure i guess
You: i dont smoke, so i figure i'm owed
Stranger: /b/ is FBI heaven
If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it.
You: LOL, check it: "If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it."
You: that seems... odd
Stranger: haha, i got it too
Stranger: it's probably because /b/ loves to fuck with people
Stranger: i've seen them do that before
Stranger: they make this fake FBI log thing
If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it.
Stranger: and pretend to be like underage
Stranger: then they post this detailed, official-looking chat log
Stranger: saying that a unit is on its way or something
You: holy hell, sounds like a 4chan thing
Stranger: it is
Stranger: that's /b/
You: is it like, a personal defense system
You: keep away the outsiders?
Stranger: 4chan?
You: yah
Stranger: it's just the internet hate machine
Stranger: however, when they motivate themselves to a cause, holy shit do people get fuckeed
Stranger: because the site gets millions of hits a day
You: i think one of my favorite "causes" is the internet white knights hating
Stranger: like the POOL'S CLOSED things or mckay hatch from the no cussing club
Stranger: once they find out your phone number/address
Stranger: but when random people just post like... their ex's phone number the response is "not your personal army"
You: oh man, talk about an internet hate crime
Stranger: yeah
Stranger: well i think i'm going to go to bed now, it's 4 AM here
You: fair enough
You: take care
Stranger: by the way
Stranger: i highly recommend Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion"
You: i'll write it down, and check it out this week, for sure
Stranger: he's an oxford evolutionary biology/zoology/etc. professor
Stranger: and an adamant atheist
Stranger: bye
Stranger: stay away from /b/
You: :P
You: kk
You: bye
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