Re: Here's a list of selected quotes from this episode with timecodes pretty close to when they starottonomyMarch 9 2008, 02:43:11 UTC
11 34:45 I take an entirely different view, harking back to the renn. Humanists with a vengeance, and I think that human beings on this planet and the kind of society we live in is an annunciation of the approaching ascent into higher-levels of novelty. 12 35:43 For a very long time, the human species has been knitting itself together, claiming technologies which allow the manipulation of energy, letting its population run uncontrolled to force an ever-expanding cultural and technological frontier. The presence of ourselves on this planet is the major evidence that a transcendental process of some sort is underway here. 13 37:30 I believe governments, scientific-industrial democracies are simply now managing the terror of apocalypse because they have no clue as to how to halt, direct, manage, or control the processes that they have set in motion…we're not getting any kind of leadership from the top..everything is managed toward a steady state. Meanwhile, technology, is proceeding unabated around the clock. 14 39:00 No one can forsee, the consequences of all this technological development (software, wetware, hardware) being stirred together. The planet has shrunk to a single informational point. 15 39:33 I believe, following the dictum that nothing is unannounced, that we can from what is happening to us now, extrapolate toward this adventure in transformational novelty that is now looming ahead of us 16 41:13 Here at the height of the trajectory of the enterprise of science and materialism, news comes from the rainforests, from the aboriginal peoples of the world, that there are technologies of a different sort that have been in place since at least the last ice age. These are neural technologies, quasi-symbiotic relationships with plants, pharmacological approaches to manipulating human memory, aspiration, aesthetic concerns, so forth and so on. 17 42:20 I believe that what these psychedelic states are, are actually ascents to a higher order of information.. In the dimensional context, as a mathematical idea. 18 43:20 What shamans see…is a hyperdimensional universe of information. They see the past (the origins), and they see the goal, the culmination… we who are locked in linear history don't have this perspective, and what we have in its stead is intense anxiety about the future. 19 44:10 These are not things you have to study advanced mathematics to perceive. These are not things revealed to the holders of advanced degrees. This is stuff that one can tell by feeling into the world. 20 47:00 We look for institutional guidance, and yet was institutions that guided us to this moment, and so the character then of this next advance into novelty is from my point of view now easily discerned. It is boundary dissollution. This is what is happening. 21 51:03 As we close distance with the transcendental object at the end of time, there is going to be a lot of vibration [that accumulates] on the social structure of the social airfoil. If the airfoil cannot be redesigned in flight as we approach this barrier, we will be ripped to pieces. 22 51:45 We [as a species] are not a lost cause yet, but we may end up a lost cause. 23 ~53:00-58:36 What is to be done? I think the answer to this is not only nothing, but considerably less than nothing. And what I mean by that is that the real solutions to our problems lie in a series of negatives: do not believe…don't follow…then a harder one, a more radical one, the one that might get me shot: do not consume...we shouldn't watch...[And] do not multiply. 24 53:40 It is beneath your dignity as a body to get mixed up in ideology. After all, where is it writ large that talking monkeys should understand the nature of being anyway? 25 54:10 The ideologies of the 20th century are so shoddy and hobbled together or toxic to human values they're not worth believing in anyway.
11 34:45 I take an entirely different view, harking back to the renn. Humanists with a vengeance, and I think that human beings on this planet and the kind of society we live in is an annunciation of the approaching ascent into higher-levels of novelty.
12 35:43 For a very long time, the human species has been knitting itself together, claiming technologies which allow the manipulation of energy, letting its population run uncontrolled to force an ever-expanding cultural and technological frontier. The presence of ourselves on this planet is the major evidence that a transcendental process of some sort is underway here.
13 37:30 I believe governments, scientific-industrial democracies are simply now managing the terror of apocalypse because they have no clue as to how to halt, direct, manage, or control the processes that they have set in motion…we're not getting any kind of leadership from the top..everything is managed toward a steady state. Meanwhile, technology, is proceeding unabated around the clock.
14 39:00 No one can forsee, the consequences of all this technological development (software, wetware, hardware) being stirred together. The planet has shrunk to a single informational point.
15 39:33 I believe, following the dictum that nothing is unannounced, that we can from what is happening to us now, extrapolate toward this adventure in transformational novelty that is now looming ahead of us
16 41:13 Here at the height of the trajectory of the enterprise of science and materialism, news comes from the rainforests, from the aboriginal peoples of the world, that there are technologies of a different sort that have been in place since at least the last ice age. These are neural technologies, quasi-symbiotic relationships with plants, pharmacological approaches to manipulating human memory, aspiration, aesthetic concerns, so forth and so on.
17 42:20 I believe that what these psychedelic states are, are actually ascents to a higher order of information.. In the dimensional context, as a mathematical idea.
18 43:20 What shamans see…is a hyperdimensional universe of information. They see the past (the origins), and they see the goal, the culmination… we who are locked in linear history don't have this perspective, and what we have in its stead is intense anxiety about the future.
19 44:10 These are not things you have to study advanced mathematics to perceive. These are not things revealed to the holders of advanced degrees. This is stuff that one can tell by feeling into the world.
20 47:00 We look for institutional guidance, and yet was institutions that guided us to this moment, and so the character then of this next advance into novelty is from my point of view now easily discerned. It is boundary dissollution. This is what is happening.
21 51:03 As we close distance with the transcendental object at the end of time, there is going to be a lot of vibration [that accumulates] on the social structure of the social airfoil. If the airfoil cannot be redesigned in flight as we approach this barrier, we will be ripped to pieces.
22 51:45 We [as a species] are not a lost cause yet, but we may end up a lost cause.
23 ~53:00-58:36 What is to be done? I think the answer to this is not only nothing, but considerably less than nothing. And what I mean by that is that the real solutions to our problems lie in a series of negatives: do not believe…don't follow…then a harder one, a more radical one, the one that might get me shot: do not consume...we shouldn't watch...[And] do not multiply.
24 53:40 It is beneath your dignity as a body to get mixed up in ideology. After all, where is it writ large that talking monkeys should understand the nature of being anyway?
25 54:10 The ideologies of the 20th century are so shoddy and hobbled together or toxic to human values they're not worth believing in anyway.
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