Love, Hate, Love/Hate Relationships, and Relationships (and possibly also Fapping)

Jun 16, 2009 12:05

kyellgold made a post not too long ago wherein he talked about the difference between love and lust and the inclusion (and differentiation) of both in erotic stories. There was some interesting discussion in the comments, there, too, and it prompted me to think some more about some things that were already going through my head ( Read more... )

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kyellgold June 16 2009, 19:15:41 UTC
Some interesting points! I would argue that "Pressure" wasn't very grim or depressing, either, and to be honest, I think that people that say that about your work are commenting on the superficial aspect of it. I think your themes are more similar to Malin's New Tibet books, wherein things in general are grim and depressing, but that forms a backdrop for the characters to struggle and try to be better.

Your stories deal with a complex and broad range of emotions, and I think that's what people are responding to. People don't always do the right thing, and often they agonize about what they're doing, but I don't usually feel sad when I finish one of your stories (though there were a couple in the past that were definitely depressing).

Though okay, your story in "X"...well, I won't say any more about that. ;)

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kmhirosaki June 16 2009, 19:24:07 UTC
Your stories deal with a complex and broad range of emotions, and I think that's what people are responding to. People don't always do the right thing, and often they agonize about what they're doing...

I can imagine how that makes you feel, then, when Waterways fans assault you with, "Ohmygawwwwd, why didn't Kory just take Samaki to the dance??!!!?!?"

;)

Though okay, your story in "X"...well, I won't say any more about that. ;)

Hey now, my story in "X" stars a Faggy Little Husky™, and I know that furries like to read about those!

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ziabandito555 June 16 2009, 19:34:31 UTC
Hey now, my story in "X" stars a Faggy Little Husky™, and I know that furries like to read about those!

oy you didn't get the memo? nebbish tubby Welsh Pembroke Corgis are the new husky seriously dude get on your trends better ^.^

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ziabandito555 June 16 2009, 19:30:00 UTC
Awww i like your brooding stories of complex relationships.

I have to agree with you that you can have have a grim and depressing romance story and it can work very well. Austen's Mansfield Park might fit that criteria well what with the less then happy ending. However the idea of you trying to write an interesting Romance full of thought and your usual emotional connections intrigues me. I'd like to see it. At the very least it could be a challenge. Nothing like Pine Martens and cougars romance riiiiight?

Similarly I say Kyell could easy do a grim story a lot of his stories skirt the border before their climax to a more upbeat ending... just saying

As for me I doubt I could do either one but you'll be free to slap me with my own book when it gets published if you think otherwise. As long as furplanet can sell tickets.

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theottsel June 16 2009, 19:55:40 UTC
Idea: You guys should take one of each other's short stories, and rewrite it. Same basic plot and characters, but with a different lens.

I don't know if they even teach that in creative writing but in basic filmmaking course they often have students do the same story in their own vision to showcase different styles.

Alternatively, there was a book called (I believe) "Armageddon Summer" that was written by two authors, Bruce Coville and Jan Yolen (I think). They both took a single character and wrote alternating first person chapters. They were contemporaries and friends, but had different styles, but made the styles fit together.

What I'm trying to say is you bitches need to collaborate more, because I'm sicking of reading two authors. ;)

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anonymous June 16 2009, 20:27:13 UTC
Depressing? I always thought you were just more realistic, though I suppose that says more about me than about you.

But I think Kyell made an excellent point earlier, about how in many of your stories it's only the backdrop that's grim. You talk about "Pictures of You" being depressing, but that couldn't be further from the truth. What it ultimately comes down to is the contrast- if everything was fine and dandy in the beginning and middle, everything staying fine and dandy in the end is just boring.

I've always believed that the greatest story is that which touches both ends of the scale. Seeing the characters struggle, watching them suffer so much, and then finally seeing them emerge into the light, just knowing that they're going to be OKAY- it just creates this incredible pathos.

Really, light stuff is fine for escapism, but more serious works will always have a greater ability to move people.

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Popularity fenixraccoon June 16 2009, 21:17:17 UTC
I hope you don't let the siren of popularity influence your writing; I enjoy it as it is ( ... )

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