When Trek is Moronic

Aug 13, 2009 21:13

So... in Starfleet universe everyone is super nice and no one ever goes for the head-shot, right? Or is it just part of the list of things designed to make security officers look implausibly dysfunctional and incompetent to the point that my suspension of disbelief goes flying out the window? The list goes something like this:

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redhawk August 14 2009, 02:32:19 UTC
Couple of comments here:

1) Security and marines wear helmets.
2) Energy weapons don't cause things to blow up so shrapnel is not that big of a problem
3) When weapons fire at the speed of light, you're dead in an instant
4) See #3
5) Legit compalint. I'd give them a holdout of some kind
6) Don't need extra power cells. Phasers and other beam weapons can fire for decades on one power cell, plus they're all kept fully charged on-board.
7) Depends on the ROE
8) Mostly because the TV show and movies focus on the stars, none of whom are Security types. Sure, Worf (and Yar before him) were heads of Security, but small-unit actions were rarely, if ever, the focus.

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kkglinka August 14 2009, 03:05:29 UTC
Oh dear, we're going list replies. Okay ( ... )

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rigil_kent August 14 2009, 08:02:28 UTC
I make a terrible Trekkie too. Though that's probably 'cause I'm not a socialist utopian at heart and I've actually got combat experience, so I know how much of a joke the Starfleet types are. Hence, the security guys in my Trek stuff actually wear armor and show signs of competence.

The only time I can recall them wearing helmets is in the very first movie. And helmets are also good places to put a little camera thingy or a light, or hell, a nice heads-up display so they can actually hit the broadside of a barn.

Don't forget how flimsy their weapons look. The problem with those props is that they look like plastic props instead of real weapons. TNG was atrocious about that, what with the dust buster phaser things that were flat out ridiculous.

And then there is camouflage. Trust me, it's a really good idea.

As I've said elsewhere, the only reason the Federation manages to win wars is because the bad guys are even dumber than they are. Seriously, if the Klingons or Romulans or Cardassians or Dominion or the Threat of the ( ... )

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Re: Trek Fail kkglinka August 14 2009, 15:17:18 UTC
I'd like to think we'd eventually devise a way to distribute resources evenly enough amongst each other to avoid unnecessary suffering and hardship, but I also think people are greedy. So I can be a bit socialist, but I'm hardly utopian. I just don't think people are that nice.

I was hashing out a scene involving ground combat during the Dominion War and it was like running into a giant pink elephant, y'know? Through some digging, I discovered that there are standard issue security helmets (Illyrian style) and Surface Operation Blacks which we see in DS9. They appear to be some sort of padded flak jackets and pants. Of course, in those episodes there is a ridiculous absence of the standard issue helmets so I assume Starfleet just prefers massive casualties do to shrapnel through the skull.

Course, the official site also denies the existence of combat uniforms and there's some hilarious creator quote about how obvious combat accouterments would conflict with Star Trek's original vision as a non-militaristic exploratory organization. ( ... )

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__marcelo August 14 2009, 15:25:19 UTC
I agree that infantry/commando work isn't Starfleet's strong suit (to say the least), but it's also true that large-scale conflict in Star Trek seems to hinge more on space battles and technology, two areas in which Starfleet does well. Once they are in a war, Starfleet commanders don't seem to be too coy about blowing up enemy ships and bases.

If I had to fanwank it, I'd say that the Federation has some sort of cultural hangup about face-to-face combat (and probably planetary, too), but not when it comes to space combat. Hypocritical, perhaps, and clearly self-defeating in some situations, but in the context of ST warfare between civilizations, probably not as damaging as it would be in another situation.

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Re: Trek Fail kkglinka August 14 2009, 15:43:34 UTC
Or rather, that's the part we're shown. A real large scale war typically occurs on multiple fronts and if we're talking an intergalactic one, there are planets. Ships can't go running all the way back to home base every time they run out of parts, ammo or manpower; they need staging areas. Those are either space stations (which can be destroyed just like a ship) or ground depots (which are much easier to protect with planetary defenses). Those massive space battles are the glitzy tip of the iceberg but if it's all you see ( ... )

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Re: Trek Fail __marcelo August 14 2009, 15:59:32 UTC
It's so nice and tidy to believe you can handle all your conflicts from a safe distance, isn't it? I rather suspect they wound up generating a whole force of them between 2373-2375 out of sheer necessity.Yes, I think that's what happened ( ... )

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Re: Trek Fail rigil_kent August 14 2009, 16:08:09 UTC
I don't think ground forces are that critical, though.

If you don't have boots on the ground, then you don't control that ground, no matter how much air/space superiority you have. The only other option is to utterly obliterate the target ... which rather clashes with Starfleet's utopianism.

So sorry, gotta disagree with you there. Infantry will always be necessary.

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