SPN 409!

Nov 14, 2008 01:39

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kitsune13 November 14 2008, 08:10:33 UTC
Hee, thanks! As frustrating as the whole "women exist to be outlets and focuses for omg MANPAIN" thing is, it worked in an emotionally logical way for Sam. And I'm finding Ruby's crush on Sam to be rather poignant, because the sexing so obviously stopped once Dean came back, and. *flaily hands*

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balefully November 14 2008, 08:33:42 UTC
AHAHAHA WOW. You just totally said everything I said in my post articulating why I HATED the Sam/Ruby as why you liked it/it worked.

I AM HAVING THOUGHTS, NOW. That is...probably a good thing?

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kitsune13 November 14 2008, 08:56:00 UTC
Bwah! I was reading your always-brilliant stuff, and going, "We noticed the same things, and came to TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS." :D

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balefully November 14 2008, 08:59:17 UTC
I am trying REALLY HARD to change my own mind, because I don't like being so upset and betrayed, OBVIOUSLY. And since there is no way I will be able to stop caring an unhealthy amount, I just need to sway myself to the other side so I can enjoy it instead of getting all worked up.

*REREADS YOUR PARAGRAPH ABOUT SAM'S EMOTIONAL REASONS UNTIL BLUE IN THE FACE*

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kitsune13 November 14 2008, 09:22:03 UTC
It was obvious it only happened once, and he was desperate and fucked up and half drunk and and really needed some comfort, ANY comfort, and she's CRAWLING ON HIM and TALKING LIKE DEAN and there's no one alive in there to hurt and he just NEEDS SO MUCH and wants to forget about the horror that is his life, and she's RIGHT THERE, and Dean ISN'T. And then afterwards, it all comes crashing down, and he's HORRIFIED and guilty at what he did, even if he didn't rape anyone, and what it says about how low he's sunk. I thought it was really beautifully played on Jared's part, and I'm starting to find Ruby's obvious love -- as much as demons can love, and oh ouch -- for Sam to be heartbreaking, especially because she KNOWS it's only a stopgap because Dean isn't there. It was ALL ABOUT DEAN, and Sam feels like shit for a) fucking a demon b) who is inhabiting a corpse and c) merely using her as a substitute for his brother, and it's obvious he HATES that it happened, even if it seemed to make sense in the moment, and is embarrassed and guilty ( ... )

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etharei November 14 2008, 09:35:53 UTC
WORD.

I could sense from the get-go where the episode was going with the Sam/Ruby thing, and even though I didn't want it to happen and was kinda icked at the beginning (before the hotness that is Jared obliterated all thought processes... yes, I am easily distracted) it wasn't as horrible as I was dreading, mainly for the reasons you said. It totally fitted with the whole fucked-upness of Sam at that point, and I like that they a) resolved the issue over her host body, and b) did not try to push it as an OTP or anything. Like you said, it was the absence of Dean that made it possible, and while I didn't think the writers would even think about subtracting from the SamnDean, it's nice to have something like this *reinforce* the brotherly codependence :D

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kitsune13 November 15 2008, 00:21:32 UTC
Dude, yes! And I also appreciated that the Sam/Ruby is very clearly NOT some kind of OTP love interest, but a temporary relationship based on grief-fuelled fucking. *nods*

I love this show so much, when even QUASI-NECRO HET SEX WITH A DEMON does nothing but REINFORCE the Wincest!

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lazy_daze November 14 2008, 13:24:48 UTC
YOU ARE MAKING ME FEEL BETTER ALSO. <333333333333333333333

For all I have a bunch of problems with it, it is SO FUCKING WINCESTY. Because it really, really is all about Dean, in every way, and they BOTH know it.

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kitsune13 November 15 2008, 00:18:56 UTC
Heee, yay! <333333

And dude, it really IS all about Sam and Dean and their ANGSTY LURVE. It's all RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT.

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kitsune13 November 15 2008, 00:18:01 UTC
Thanks! I'm not, like, TRYING to convince anyone that THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE READ or anything, but just laying out my own response; I'm so glad that it's making others feel better about the ep, though. <3

BTW, I'm totally friending you if you don't mind -- I FULLY APPROVE of J2 peen and pity/adoration of RPattz. :D

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