I'm rewatching season 3 of Lost so you don't have to
And I'm spotting a few things that have been IMMENSELY HELPFUL for percolating on the season 5 finale.
Note: If you are currently watching Lost and have not caught up to the season 5 finale, for the love of god, don't click the cut-tag. Duh.
So um, I haven't posted about Lost in a while. Hi, it's my favorite show. I fucking love it, and yet I found this season's finale to be kind of weaksauce. I was worried that we're supposed to interpret Jacob and the other dude (he's evil, I assume, since he was wearing a black shirt and Jacob was in a white shirt...COSTUMING DEPARTMENT, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR SUBTLE CHOICES) as some sort of thinly veiled allegory for God and the Devil, and that Jacob and Not!Jacob are the end all be all of power on the island. I'm less worried about that now, or at least I find other shit to be interesting enough to not care.
Namely, while re-watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, when he makes his nice little speech about not being sorry for killing a dude to save his little brother, etc etc, his brother looks at him and says, "You speak to me as if I was your brother." Then he walks away, disappears into the jungle, and the smoke monster comes and beats Mr. Eko to death.
I had totally forgotten about that scene, and in light of season 5, I sat up, went "!!!" and then had to call L to talk about how much sense this all makes now. Christian Sheppard's body was on the plane -- then Christian appears walking around the island, and is eventually seen in the cabin. Same with Eko's brother -- body was on the island, body disappears, then he appears to Eko. Likewise with Clare, possibly also Boone (but then, Locke hallucinates Boone on his little sweat lodge vision quest thing, so...). And, obviously, this happens later with Locke, so I'm thinking that rather than bring people back to life (something people on the show said explicitly the island can't do), Not!Jacob is taking the appearance of these other people.
I would posit Jacob appears to people in disguise as well, except for the whole reveal that someone else has been using Jacob's cabin for a long time. But maybe I'm wrong, and sometimes it's Jacob, too. Maybe Eko's confession was to Jacob, who abandoned him and had him killed. Or maybe it was to Not!Jacob, who just...had him killed anyway. Either way, it implies that whoever's walking around in the appearance of dead people has some sort of control over the smoke monster, since it was a pretty clear confession-rejection-death of Eko.
So if Jacob's not been using the cabin for a long time, does that mean Jacob's "lists" of people to take aren't from Jacob at all? And what are those lists in service of? WTF are Jacob and Not!Jacob trying to accomplish? Jacob's apparently keeping Richard Alpert from aging, but given the island is...the island, that doesn't necessarily make me think we're supposed to think Jacob = God. Especially not with the whole "God loves you as he loved Jacob" subliminal programming messages in the shed Ben stashed Carl in. (Also, fucking hell, season 3, so many people running around who eventually die.)
Also, Desmond's first time-travel episode is so much less weird now. Of course Eloise knows he doesn't buy the ring and doesn't marry Penny. Although I don't recall anyone ever telling her specifically that that shit happens...but at least the concept makes somewhat more sense. Also I'm curious if Charles Widmore would have been that big of a cock to Desmond if he hadn't been trying to make him go save the world. I'm psyched to re-watch all of the Richard Alpert's 40-Year Love Affair With John Locke episodes, with an eye for, "Oh, Richard's trying to see future!John in him" versus "OMG RICHARD CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME", which was my theory the first time around.
In other news, there's a scene in one of the first season 3 episodes where they take Sawyer and Kate to the work camp to break rocks, and Juliet gives Sawyer a canteen of water...which he takes, dumps out on the ground, and then he goes over and makes out with Kate. I CRIED. SERIOUSLY. Other people witnessed it and were like, "...um." because they haven't seen everything else yet. To quote my gchat status message from that day, "OH MY GOD SAWYER FUCK CAN'T YOU JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THE WOMAN WHO LOVES YOU FOR ONCE FUCK".
Which is to say, I really, really Do Not Care about Kate Austin's bullshit problems. That said, she has some line in one of the season 3 eps (I'm assuming the one with her and Nathan Fillion?) where she says she can't imagine herself as a mother. HI-LARIOUS.
Note: If you are currently watching Lost and have not caught up to the season 5 finale, for the love of god, don't click the cut-tag. Duh.
So um, I haven't posted about Lost in a while. Hi, it's my favorite show. I fucking love it, and yet I found this season's finale to be kind of weaksauce. I was worried that we're supposed to interpret Jacob and the other dude (he's evil, I assume, since he was wearing a black shirt and Jacob was in a white shirt...COSTUMING DEPARTMENT, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR SUBTLE CHOICES) as some sort of thinly veiled allegory for God and the Devil, and that Jacob and Not!Jacob are the end all be all of power on the island. I'm less worried about that now, or at least I find other shit to be interesting enough to not care.
Namely, while re-watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, when he makes his nice little speech about not being sorry for killing a dude to save his little brother, etc etc, his brother looks at him and says, "You speak to me as if I was your brother." Then he walks away, disappears into the jungle, and the smoke monster comes and beats Mr. Eko to death.
I had totally forgotten about that scene, and in light of season 5, I sat up, went "!!!" and then had to call L to talk about how much sense this all makes now. Christian Sheppard's body was on the plane -- then Christian appears walking around the island, and is eventually seen in the cabin. Same with Eko's brother -- body was on the island, body disappears, then he appears to Eko. Likewise with Clare, possibly also Boone (but then, Locke hallucinates Boone on his little sweat lodge vision quest thing, so...). And, obviously, this happens later with Locke, so I'm thinking that rather than bring people back to life (something people on the show said explicitly the island can't do), Not!Jacob is taking the appearance of these other people.
I would posit Jacob appears to people in disguise as well, except for the whole reveal that someone else has been using Jacob's cabin for a long time. But maybe I'm wrong, and sometimes it's Jacob, too. Maybe Eko's confession was to Jacob, who abandoned him and had him killed. Or maybe it was to Not!Jacob, who just...had him killed anyway. Either way, it implies that whoever's walking around in the appearance of dead people has some sort of control over the smoke monster, since it was a pretty clear confession-rejection-death of Eko.
So if Jacob's not been using the cabin for a long time, does that mean Jacob's "lists" of people to take aren't from Jacob at all? And what are those lists in service of? WTF are Jacob and Not!Jacob trying to accomplish? Jacob's apparently keeping Richard Alpert from aging, but given the island is...the island, that doesn't necessarily make me think we're supposed to think Jacob = God. Especially not with the whole "God loves you as he loved Jacob" subliminal programming messages in the shed Ben stashed Carl in. (Also, fucking hell, season 3, so many people running around who eventually die.)
Also, Desmond's first time-travel episode is so much less weird now. Of course Eloise knows he doesn't buy the ring and doesn't marry Penny. Although I don't recall anyone ever telling her specifically that that shit happens...but at least the concept makes somewhat more sense. Also I'm curious if Charles Widmore would have been that big of a cock to Desmond if he hadn't been trying to make him go save the world. I'm psyched to re-watch all of the Richard Alpert's 40-Year Love Affair With John Locke episodes, with an eye for, "Oh, Richard's trying to see future!John in him" versus "OMG RICHARD CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME", which was my theory the first time around.
In other news, there's a scene in one of the first season 3 episodes where they take Sawyer and Kate to the work camp to break rocks, and Juliet gives Sawyer a canteen of water...which he takes, dumps out on the ground, and then he goes over and makes out with Kate. I CRIED. SERIOUSLY. Other people witnessed it and were like, "...um." because they haven't seen everything else yet. To quote my gchat status message from that day, "OH MY GOD SAWYER FUCK CAN'T YOU JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THE WOMAN WHO LOVES YOU FOR ONCE FUCK".
Which is to say, I really, really Do Not Care about Kate Austin's bullshit problems. That said, she has some line in one of the season 3 eps (I'm assuming the one with her and Nathan Fillion?) where she says she can't imagine herself as a mother. HI-LARIOUS.