Isshun no Kaze ni Nare: Episode 2/ Honey and Clover: Episode 8

[kipani_mariko]

Honey and Clover: Episode 8

- Nomiya's not picking up his phone D:  Mayama is worried.  Nomiya and Yamada are at a hotel.  Nomiya tries to help her figure out her feelings in regards to Mayama.
- Hanamoto-sensei discovered the Italian documents.
- Mayama stays up all night at the office worrying, waiting for any response from Nomiya or Yamada.

Comments

[nekokonneko]

The NEWS vs Kanjani8 thing is probably due to Ryo and Uchi being pulled off to join NEWS [which was formed out of nowhere O.o'] while they were still in Kanjani8. A sort of tug-of-war between the two groups.

[kipani_mariko]

Yeah I'm sure it was. But I guess I was more thinking of the fans vs. the fans rather than the fans hating the groups. Since I could see an equal reason for Toma fans to hate NewS fans, but ended up not probably because of the Yamashita/Tomapi factor.

I admit I'm pretty biased too, since I'm a Kanjani 8 and Toma fan, but the wars some of these fans get into seems too much.

[nekokonneko]

With the fans vs. fans thing, I've heard that quite a lot of NEWS fans would keep the group as 6-nin and would be uncomfortable or upset it if were to be 8-nin again. K8 fans generally want Uchi to come back like K8 themselves [and me!!! XDDD] and I suppose that they don't like that sort of sentiment from fans of a group known for their supposed 'member ai' [which K8 pwns NEWS in by the way >:D -Also biased-].

[kipani_mariko]

Ahh yeah I've heard that too. About how they've worked so hard to build up to what they have now and Uchi would ruin it...? Or something like that. I think some NewS fans want Uchi to go back to Eito too. I want Uchi back as well--and I think for many people it may not be because it's whether they like Uchi or not, but because Eito needs him and wants him to return. But I personally like Uchi and think he'd be worked back in, despite some people's worries. HAHA yeah NewS' "member ai" XD I don't get why people compare their levels of member ai to each other.

[nekokonneko]

Yeah. K8 has shown over the years, in many different ways, that they aren't complete without their youngest member, shown no better than in that glorious moment in the Tokyo con when Ryo pulled him on-stage for the encore. <3 I like Uchi too, and that doubles my want for his return. Hopefully he'll be back soon. With all his new roles in dramas and such. And it's 2008, JE is gimmicky enough to make K8 8 once more in 2008. ::crosses fingers::

NEWS' 'member ai' ::rolls eyes:: Kanjani8 and K8 fans doesn't need to harp on about it because for them it's totally natural, how they show affection for [and grope XD] one another. Ryo ad Yamapi themselves mentioned how the others don't go out to eat with them when they invite them out.

[kipani_mariko]

Exactly. To sum it all up, 8->1. And they truly believe that. I love how with their friendship it all seems natural and "normal" to hang out outside of work, like you said. There's no senpai/kouhai boundaries like before which I think is what divides NewS a bit--that some of the members still regards others as their senpai. HAHA yes and Ryo called them boring XD

[nekokonneko]

I know that just how much of a family K8 is [going out to eat, celebrating birthdays and seeing each other naked XD] is one of the main reasons why I love them so much and won't let them go. I don't really know much about NEWS, but it does seem that many of them are still impressed by Yamapi. Ryo really knows what he's talking about; NEWS does seem boring and sterile and pre-packaged >.>'. After all the raucous fun he has in K8 going back to NEWS must be really bleak. :P

[kipani_mariko]

Some of them in an interview someone forced me to watch were giving reasons for why they wouldn't go to hang out--they lived too far away from each other, etc. And one of the reasons was that they can't go out with their senpai. Which made me go 0_o

HAHA then again, ALL of Johnny's are prepackaged XD But some seem to kick it off better than others. I've even heard some NewS fans who get into Eito later that it's shocking to them how much happier Ryo seems when he's with Eito. But you know, as being primarily an Eito fan, I haven't seen any NewS interviews to compare and judge for myself.

It also makes me sad how NewS fans are hating on Yoko right now. Although we do have KAT-TUN fans on our side because of the Akakame thing XDXD

[nekokonneko]

Yeah they ALL are, but it shows a lot more with NEWS. Like they can't quite shake off the bubble wrap and cardboard holders. Probably because they weren't all together from the start; with members chosen from 3 [or was it 4?] different pre-existing groups.

Oh yeah, the recomen thing. ::rolls eyes:: It was friendly jibes and I doubt that Massu cried himself to sleep that night or contemplated suicide. Koyama and Shige would've probably given a warning about what to expect the time they got devoured. <3 Yoko ships Akakame. XD It was just hilarious to hear him talk about the atmosphere. Like 'Uwa! I've seen it for myself!' XD

[kipani_mariko]

Yeah that's true. It's like the current Hey Say JUMP--you can't really look at the band without thinking of the groups they broke up to create them. It's kind of sad, and something I can't ever shake. Especially since I liked the 4Tops ;_;

That was my thing too--that some people paint Massu out to be the victim, but to my understanding, Massu is pretty funny himself, so I'm sure he understood it was a joke. But yeah who knows, huh? Haha yeah Yoko's such a fanboy XD It's funny to consider some of these guys are like almost half a decade younger than him ;)

[nekokonneko]

H!S!J! >.<' Sometimes I wonder why JE breaks up these groups for seemingly no reason. I liked Ya ya yah and some of those Juniors are just waaaay too young to debut. @.@

Yoko is Peter Pan, he does not age!! XD It's really striking to think that he'll soon be 30, he's just got that youthful energy. And I just LOVE his high pitched giggles. <33333 ::descends into fangirling::

[kipani_mariko]

Yeah I don't really get it either. I'd understand if they made like a really good super group, but they've left out some great talents! I wonder too how Toma really factored in during all of this debut stuff...

He definitely is <3 His high pitched giggles are adorable. And also when someone makes fun of him or picks on him since he's usually the one teasing others XD It's cute too how he can be shy when he's not around Eito or other people he's comfortable with :D

[nekokonneko]

Poor Toma...... :( He's been in lots of dramas and stuff, but to think he's technically STILL a Jr.....JE makes some really strange decisions....But I'm that they didn't rip apart Kanjani8 when NEWS was formed. :)

I love how conscious he is about his weight all the time. It's so adorable <3 I can relate to him being shy around strangers, but looking at how loud and gregarious he can be at concerts and on shows, that's so hard y believe. Like on recomen he was patting himself on the back for attempting conversation with Kashi Yuu <3.

[kipani_mariko]

I wonder too if anyone thought of him besides Yamashita...like if anyone argued with the management, or felt it really odd that he had so many chances he could have debuted (like with Arashi, for example) but didn't. I remember Eito saying how afraid they were about their futures when Ryo and Uchi were taken into NewS, but like you said, I'm glad too XD

It's funny how weight conscious they are considering NONE of them are overweight. I mean--OF COURSE Yoko, Maru, and Ohkura would weigh more--THEY'RE THE TALLEST! They'd probably be on the low-average weight side over here in the US :D I'd actually be more afraid of the underweight ones ;)

Yeah and when he said back during Haikei Chichiuesama, he clung to Nino and didn't really talk to anyone else XD So cute <3

[nekokonneko]

I wonder if Toma will ever debut....I doubt it. It's a shame though.

I think part of being obsessed with weight also comes from them being idols. But it was funny to read that at one photo shoot where they he was shirtless tacchon held his breath the entire time to suck his stomach in. XD But it's somewhat refreshing to see them fret over the same things we normal humans fret over too ;D
But Subaru's like 48kg. That's just.....wow....

Hee hee. It's funny because I can actually visualise him physically clinging to Nino, like some sort of koala bear XDD

[kipani_mariko]

Yeah he's been described recently as having debuted as an actor, but that's it.

Well when you look at like Tokio, most of them are pretty healthy looking. They shouldn't feel down on themselves because of that. And I know since it's Japan everyone's incredibly tiny.

Yeah apparently that's what he did XD But I guess in YC he felt like he was their senpai so took more efforts to be more outgoing and stuff ;)