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as Tintin sees that he'd sacrifice other people for Haddock, that he'd trade moral scruples for Haddock
Yeah, that's a pretty crucial moment. I keep thinking about how Tintin's insistence on sparing Jorgan and Wolff would have resulted in the deaths of everyone in the rocket. It's only Wolff accidentally shooting Jorgen, and then Wolff deciding to kill himself, that saves the others. It's a situation where there is no good answer, and Tintin wouldn't be Tintin if he could just coldbloodedly leave them to die on the moon, but that doesn't mean he's right or that his scruples wouldn't have cost other lives. I wanted to suggest a kind of parallel (definitely not a straightforward or absolute one) with the way Tintin's boyish innocence has been hurting Haddock all along. It's not a culpable thing at all, but it's still a way in which other people pay for Tintin's purity. (I wonder, too, about all those times the villain got away to do more wickedness because Tintin was scrupulous . . .)
I love that you subverted the magical backrub trope
I always thought it was creepy, that basically there's touching and one person thinks it's nonsexual while the other's finding it erotic.
he still won't kiss Tintin first, he still insists on consent and then more-than-consent
One of the things I've been thinking about, in regards to Haddock here and in the porntastic sequel I may finish someday, is whether his carefulness about consent is related to the relationship I imagine he had with Allan. In which Allan was the seducer but was also Haddock's subordinate, and once things started to go bad I'm sure Allan was quick to make Haddock feel guilty about that.
I've also been thinking about Haddock and (male) prostitutes. I'm sure he's had a lot of sex with prostitutes, but I'm wondering whether he might have pretty much stopped after falling in love with Tintin, because he stops seeing it as an uncoerced transaction. Instead he starts considering that prostitutes are, or were, unprotected boys like Tintin, only without Tintin's luck and money.
*joins rambling* *g*halotolerantNovember 20 2011, 18:36:14 UTC
Wolff's suicide freaked me out when I was a child - although it's offscreen I'd done 'space' in science at school and had a fairly good idea of what would have happened to him. I used to skip through those pages. I think that's one reason Tintin always seemed like a fairly serious, 'adult' thing to me, although people like to describe it as a children's book. In fact, I think Tintin's lack of a (traditional, visible, James Bond style) sex life is a large reason people categorise it as innocent despite alcohol and opiate addiction and 'onscreen' abuse, plenty of violence and a lot of politics.
Jorgen's attitude to Tintin makes him so nasty - he's got a really personal vendetta there. Backstory possiblities! But then Tintin did replace him as the favourite/right hand man of King Ottokar, so.... *g*
in the porntastic sequel I may finish someday *grabbyhands* PLEASE? PLEASE WITH THE BIG PUSS IN BOOTS EYES? *g*
Haddock's messed up so much of his life when Tintin finds him - I could see him being scared on two levels, one that he'll mess up with Tintin because that's what he inevitably does with good things, and two that, having spoiled things with Tintin, his life will fall apart entirely again anyway. I imagine in the early days he issues these open invites to Moulinsart but won't let himself press Tintin to visit, because he doesn't want to be possessive, and then is delighted when Tintin turns up of his own accord.
Re: *joins rambling* *g*kindkitNovember 21 2011, 01:20:44 UTC
Tintin seems like an adult kind of story to me, too, although of course I also read it as an adult and brought adult preoccupations to it. But when I think of kids' comics, I think either of really silly unrealistic adventures where no one gets hurt, or of Archie-style soap opera cuteness. Not "let's overthrow a drug-smuggling ring/slave-trade operation/South American dictatorship."
But then Tintin did replace him as the favourite/right hand man of King Ottokar, so...
I still haven't read that one. *facepalm* I will eventually, but when I read the early ones I keep wishing Haddock was there.
PLEASE WITH THE BIG PUSS IN BOOTS EYES?
AAARGH, CANNOT RESIST PUSS IN BOOTS EYES.
I have about 1100 words so far. In which, um, they take a walk and have a little snog, and possibly the l-word is spoken. Porn: I'm doing it wrong.
I imagine in the early days he issues these open invites to Moulinsart but won't let himself press Tintin to visit, because he doesn't want to be possessive
*nods* That's got me thinking about the very early days of their friendship, when Haddock probably wanted to cling to Tintin like a lifeline but held back because of that fear of being pushy/possessive, and Tintin's reserve prevented him from being too oncoming or "presuming" on Haddock's friendship. I can imagine them both wanting to spend a lot more time together but being too damn well-mannered to say anything!
Yeah, that's a pretty crucial moment. I keep thinking about how Tintin's insistence on sparing Jorgan and Wolff would have resulted in the deaths of everyone in the rocket. It's only Wolff accidentally shooting Jorgen, and then Wolff deciding to kill himself, that saves the others. It's a situation where there is no good answer, and Tintin wouldn't be Tintin if he could just coldbloodedly leave them to die on the moon, but that doesn't mean he's right or that his scruples wouldn't have cost other lives. I wanted to suggest a kind of parallel (definitely not a straightforward or absolute one) with the way Tintin's boyish innocence has been hurting Haddock all along. It's not a culpable thing at all, but it's still a way in which other people pay for Tintin's purity. (I wonder, too, about all those times the villain got away to do more wickedness because Tintin was scrupulous . . .)
I love that you subverted the magical backrub trope
I always thought it was creepy, that basically there's touching and one person thinks it's nonsexual while the other's finding it erotic.
he still won't kiss Tintin first, he still insists on consent and then more-than-consent
One of the things I've been thinking about, in regards to Haddock here and in the porntastic sequel I may finish someday, is whether his carefulness about consent is related to the relationship I imagine he had with Allan. In which Allan was the seducer but was also Haddock's subordinate, and once things started to go bad I'm sure Allan was quick to make Haddock feel guilty about that.
I've also been thinking about Haddock and (male) prostitutes. I'm sure he's had a lot of sex with prostitutes, but I'm wondering whether he might have pretty much stopped after falling in love with Tintin, because he stops seeing it as an uncoerced transaction. Instead he starts considering that prostitutes are, or were, unprotected boys like Tintin, only without Tintin's luck and money.
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Jorgen's attitude to Tintin makes him so nasty - he's got a really personal vendetta there. Backstory possiblities! But then Tintin did replace him as the favourite/right hand man of King Ottokar, so.... *g*
in the porntastic sequel I may finish someday
*grabbyhands* PLEASE? PLEASE WITH THE BIG PUSS IN BOOTS EYES? *g*
Haddock's messed up so much of his life when Tintin finds him - I could see him being scared on two levels, one that he'll mess up with Tintin because that's what he inevitably does with good things, and two that, having spoiled things with Tintin, his life will fall apart entirely again anyway. I imagine in the early days he issues these open invites to Moulinsart but won't let himself press Tintin to visit, because he doesn't want to be possessive, and then is delighted when Tintin turns up of his own accord.
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But then Tintin did replace him as the favourite/right hand man of King Ottokar, so...
I still haven't read that one. *facepalm* I will eventually, but when I read the early ones I keep wishing Haddock was there.
PLEASE WITH THE BIG PUSS IN BOOTS EYES?
AAARGH, CANNOT RESIST PUSS IN BOOTS EYES.
I have about 1100 words so far. In which, um, they take a walk and have a little snog, and possibly the l-word is spoken. Porn: I'm doing it wrong.
I imagine in the early days he issues these open invites to Moulinsart but won't let himself press Tintin to visit, because he doesn't want to be possessive
*nods* That's got me thinking about the very early days of their friendship, when Haddock probably wanted to cling to Tintin like a lifeline but held back because of that fear of being pushy/possessive, and Tintin's reserve prevented him from being too oncoming or "presuming" on Haddock's friendship. I can imagine them both wanting to spend a lot more time together but being too damn well-mannered to say anything!
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