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bitchyousuck December 5 2005, 11:24:57 UTC
Don't tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.

?????

There are always going to be sick people out there, and it is always better to err on the side of safety if at all possible. I would never, ever blame a rape on the victim. But no matter how many people speak out against rape, there are always going to be rapists, and it is good to spread information to women about how they can protect themselves.

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killgirlswatch December 5 2005, 15:02:55 UTC
It is even better to spread information on how people can stop raping.

I refuse to live my life in fear of someone else doing something wrong to me. I should not have to do that.

You can't stop rape with self-defense. You have to stop the rapist.

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kendoran December 6 2005, 14:25:28 UTC
The only true way to eliminate rape is to eliminate humans. Heck, humans are causing more harm than good on this planet, I say the planet should go into sanitisation mode ASAP.

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killgirlswatch December 6 2005, 15:01:19 UTC
Oh, so you think rape is okay? Obviously it's human nature (men just CAN'T CONTROL THEIR HORNINESS, right?), so it must be okay!

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kendoran December 6 2005, 15:12:55 UTC
haha. You're tunnel vision is cute. Keep reading whatever books you're reading.

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killgirlswatch December 7 2005, 03:04:24 UTC
Nice way to NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Who the hell are you and why the fuck are you reading my journal anyway?

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35mmblackwhite January 15 2006, 15:53:41 UTC
you are going to be naive enough to assume that when you track down all the known rapists, and future rapists and tell them not to, they are going to listen?
bitchyousuck was right in saying that even though it isn't fair that women have to take certain measures to protect themselves, it is better to be safe than sorry.

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killgirlswatch January 15 2006, 19:35:37 UTC
to which I pose the question: who the fuck are you and why are you commenting in my journal anyway?

oh wait, you're not. haha.

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kendoran December 6 2005, 14:34:55 UTC
Oh, and nice rhetoric, by the way.

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kendarswife January 13 2006, 15:46:05 UTC
I agree, you shouldn't live your life in fear, but you need to be ready to kick some ass if it's called for.

You remind me alot of myself 15 years ago...GREAT, now I have dated myself!!

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crime prevention wight1984 January 15 2006, 11:33:10 UTC
I think the real issue here is that rape prevention should be addressed in the same way we address any crime. I don't walk about by night by myself or get into dangerous situations because I don't want to be mugged. That doesn't mean I think muggers shouldn't be prosecuted et cetera, it just means that I also know that I live in an immoral world and have to look after myself.

Whilst the moral blame of crimes are entirely with the person committing them, there's nothing wrong with being careful. It's no good leaving all your doors unlocked and then saying about how in an ideal world we wouldn't need to lock our doors.

Of course, it's also no good spending all your life trying to protect your home without targetting the people that do these kinds of things

"She hears them talk of new ways to protect the home she lives in,
Then she wonders what it's all about when they break down the door."
- Celebration Day, Led Zeppelin

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Re: crime prevention cosmogonic February 14 2006, 07:35:42 UTC
The problem here is, to use your metaphor, that we, as women, are born without locks on our doors, and aside from a sex change, there is no way to install them.

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Re: crime prevention wight1984 February 17 2006, 18:34:04 UTC
Houses aren't created with locks attached either.

There are plenty of steps women can take to reduce the chance of crime happening to them, just like men can.

I avoid getting mugged by not walking around at night by myself, and by being cautious of situations where it might happen. I also do a number of things like making sure to not flash my money about in public.

Equaly it's not silly for a woman to try to keep safe at a night, try to walk home with a friend, or catch a cab, avoid dark alleyways, or even such things as putting on a long coat when leaving a club so people can't see what you're wearing.

As a transvestite I know when I've been out on night wearing something revealing or a short skirt I don't think twice about putting on a trenchcoat so as to not invite being beaten up.

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cosmogonic February 17 2006, 20:04:45 UTC
Being that the majority of rapes are committed by someone the woman knows, NOT a stranger, it's STATISTICALLY SAFER TO WALK HOME ALONE IN THE DARK THAN WITH A FRIEND. Please to be knowing what you are talking about before you give women shitty, paternalistic advice.

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killgirlswatch February 18 2006, 03:20:13 UTC
Exactly.

The statistic is something like 85% of women who are raped already know the attacker. It's their boyfriend, husband, friend, friend-of-a-friend, etc.

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wight1984 February 18 2006, 04:51:50 UTC
No, still not with you here.

Firstly, walking home completly alone is a bad idea whether you are male or female. I know rape is the fashionable crime these days, but limiting ourselves to thinking about that would be silly.

Secondly, yes, I was thinking more of trusted friends et cetera than just anyone. The same sort of common sense advice of not going back to people's homes alone when you haven't known them very long, don't leave your drinks alone with people you don't know well, et cetera.

All these things are common sense ideas that should be adopted by anyone, male or female.

It's not paternalistic, it's things I obey, unless a woman is somehow safer walking alone of a night than I am.

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