>>That's all in the future, anyway. As other people have pointed out >>in their journals, life will go on, and honestly, it's not like >>things are changing.
In the space of a year multiple states outlawed gay marriage. Four more years is a long period of time to assume that things won't change. Don't get complacent.
Otherwise, yeah, we have to pick up and move on. I still reserve the right to be a cranky SOB for a few days. ;D
among the benefits of going to art school in a metropolitan area is that at least there was a sense of shared grief today. no opposition to necessitate diplomacy (or even reason, for that matter). I'd say I'm with Merc on the crankiness thing -- this is my day to pout. Tomorrow I'll worry, and I guess after that I'll deal. Taking it one day at a time....
I honestly believe you're looking at this backwards.
In the space of a year, gay marriages went from 'wishful thinking' to something different states and municipalities were taking such diverse stands on that those opposed to them felt that something...Must...Be...Done!
Losing many of your scouts in the first skirmish doesn't mean you lost the battle. It just means you've clearly located the enemy and the enemy definitely sees you as a threat.
As I said above, social changes of this scale have historically met with resistance, but as shown from the examples I gave, many of them have come through for the better regardless.
Addendum: Keep in mind that this was a very emotional polling for most of the people involved, and undertaken at a time when the nation was seen by many as in crisis. I would expect divisive agenda items to be shot down and shot down hard by reactionary types during such an election.
How many of these things still binding, or unchallenged legally? Yes, many of the civil rights movements have been resisted. Were those people ever angry or upset or agitated? Were they ever discouraged? Were they able to afford to sit back and coast? I don't believe that they ever gave up fighting until they had what they felt was their right, which is the essence of what I was saying to keikan above.
I'm not getting started on a discussion of the merits and strategies of this war. I'm unqualified to do so. I WILL say that 1000+ deaths are significant in and of themselves (every single one is significant). I will say that we're THERE because these people saw us as a threat and struck first.
I wasn't talking about the war in Iraq. I was talking about the gay marriage issue. If you want to sidetrack it onto the war in Iraq, as far as I'm concerned you can go talk to that wall over there
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I did misunderstand the commentary on battle -- there's a lot of overlap with current issues. The challenge/binding comment I made was in regard to gay marriage/unions.
I really don't have anything further to say on the subjects at hand, at least topically.
Re: Backing DownbatratblueNovember 4 2004, 21:15:23 UTC
Alright, sorry if I got snippy. I'm dealing with a lot of tension right now with people who can't figure out the fact that I (a) voted for Bush, and am (B) pro-gay, pro-choice, etc., etc., etc.
In the space of a year multiple states outlawed gay marriage.
Four more years is a long period of time to assume that things won't change. Don't get complacent.
Otherwise, yeah, we have to pick up and move on. I still reserve the right to be a cranky SOB for a few days. ;D
-M.
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In the space of a year, gay marriages went from 'wishful thinking' to something different states and municipalities were taking such diverse stands on that those opposed to them felt that something...Must...Be...Done!
Losing many of your scouts in the first skirmish doesn't mean you lost the battle. It just means you've clearly located the enemy and the enemy definitely sees you as a threat.
As I said above, social changes of this scale have historically met with resistance, but as shown from the examples I gave, many of them have come through for the better regardless.
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How many of these things still binding, or unchallenged legally?
Yes, many of the civil rights movements have been resisted. Were those people ever angry or upset or agitated? Were they ever discouraged? Were they able to afford to sit back and coast? I don't believe that they ever gave up fighting until they had what they felt was their right, which is the essence of what I was saying to keikan above.
I'm not getting started on a discussion of the merits and strategies of this war. I'm unqualified to do so. I WILL say that 1000+ deaths are significant in and of themselves (every single one is significant). I will say that we're THERE because these people saw us as a threat and struck first.
-M.
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The challenge/binding comment I made was in regard to gay marriage/unions.
I really don't have anything further to say on the subjects at hand, at least topically.
-M.
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