Hmm... my two cents.duncanmMarch 1 2006, 02:57:28 UTC
Ya okay, I should be on all internet hiatus, but computer is responding, so I'm taking the oppurtunity to say my bit.
To be as polite and nice as possible, I think it's ridiculous. Any communication means can be equally destructive and controlling, phone, letters and what not. MSN does have a use and a value, and if used properly I see absolutely no reason to not use it. It's also a lot more casual, so one who wants to talks to friends but needs to be doing something else too can, whereas on the phone that would be hard possibly (like homework and msn, you can alternate concentrations, on phone you couldn't. For the sake of this arguement lets say this is homework you want to get a headstart on.). It's fast and convinient, and easy to get into contact with people if other means have failed. If you really need to talk to someone now, and the phone is tied it could be very valuable. I view what you are doing as far too much of a blanket action. You can't just cut out the entire activity because a bit is bad. That's absurd. It would be like banning all movies if one truly horrendous one was made. It doesn't make sense. It's like banning all phones because some people spend their entire day on it. What I propose instead, or believe would be better, is to get people to use MSN more wisely. I won't lie, it'll be harder, but if successful, better in the long run. My current idea is get people to be "online" on msn at all times, and only really use it if a)You're completely free and able to talk or b)you need to get into contact with that person. To help people you could have it so you work on say your homework in the same room, but away from the computer, not next to it. So you can see if someone is talking to you, see if it's urgent, and then respond etc. etc. I'll discuss more later but I imagine you get the jist of it. And also, Keegan my friend have you ever used msn (I dont recall ever hearing you have, certainly not in a long time/I was under the impression from you that you have not). As much as you have some good points, I find it hard to support you almost on principle because you have not tried it. Too many problems are made from people saying something is bad from only second hand knowledge. Basically I'm saying, I'd support you so much more if you did try it for a while. That's all...
Re: Hmm... my two cents.justinian_89March 1 2006, 03:35:57 UTC
Duncan...you are one of the most thoughtful and intelligent people I've ever met, and I fully respect your points and the weight that your knowledge gives them.
But JESUS CHRIST if you spell ARGUMENT wrong ONE MORE TIME I will THROTTLE you!!
:P Jesus man. In like every entry you've posted you've put the word and slipped an extra "e" in there. He doesn't belong there! The word is perfectly happy with two vowels! YOU'VE UPSET THE BALANCE!
I'm sorry. I'm a word Nazi, I need to get it out sometimes.
Re: Hmm... my two cents.duncanmMarch 1 2006, 22:11:23 UTC
Fair enough, I was always under the assumption that argument was spelt 'arguement' thus have been spelling it like that forever. So if it is occasionally spelled 'agruement' its because my mind is still adjusting to not having to hit that e. When I go to type argument my hand naturally goes to that e and it takes a conscious effort to not hit it. And it ain't easy. That being said nothing has really been said about what I said. I mean... like I said before I think it's going too far. I don't think it's going to solve anything, I think it'll do more harm than good, and I also think that our... dislike of msn is being misdirected. We're not going to fix anything doing what we are. We need to change our approach, not stop using it. If people stopped doing things whenever the initial approach didnt work we'd uh... have a lot less things (problem with using vague nouns, it gets increasingly vague later on!). I'm just saying we should consider this and adapt before we go on a blanket blocking of msn. I don't think it will help at all, and I want us to be able to do something to help.
Re: Hmm... my two cents.justinian_89March 2 2006, 00:36:06 UTC
Oh I had a feeling someone would notice that. As soon as I finished it I was like "ERK" but I was too lazy to change it and banked on the fact that nobody would notice.
Re: Hmm... my two cents.keegan_panMarch 2 2006, 01:04:20 UTC
Bah, the energy it would take to argue this is too much for my meager mind at this time. I respect you Duncan, and I see multiple of our points. I have never used my own MSN, but I have been on multiple times before, and was appauled at how different some people act on it as opposed to real life.
Re: Hmm... my two cents.tiddledy_winksMarch 3 2006, 20:53:20 UTC
I don't think MSN would be the appropriate means of communication if something was "urgent". Usually, if I really have to be in contact with someone, I'll find their phone number, instead of patiently waiting for them to come online (especially if the person I'm waiting for is a boy. Because boys are dumb and are never around when you need them.)
I think MSN is mainly for dawdling around. That's why they call it "chatting", and not "having a deep, intellectual conversation" (although those do happen on occasion).
Re: Hmm... my two cents.mrsradcliffeMarch 5 2006, 19:22:01 UTC
Sometimes, when you have an addiction, it's best to go cold turkey. And for me, MSN has gotten to the point that I am spending less time reading, playing piano, doing things that actually matter. And all my friends seem to be getting exceedingly dependent on it for actually having meaningful conversations, as opposed to talking in real life. To me, that is just obsene, so I am sort of protesting MSN by not going on. At all. Until Easter. (As in I'm giving it up for lent) (Not because I'm religious, but because I feel I need a goal for the length of time I'm not online for and that seems like a manageable amount of time.
To be as polite and nice as possible, I think it's ridiculous. Any communication means can be equally destructive and controlling, phone, letters and what not. MSN does have a use and a value, and if used properly I see absolutely no reason to not use it. It's also a lot more casual, so one who wants to talks to friends but needs to be doing something else too can, whereas on the phone that would be hard possibly (like homework and msn, you can alternate concentrations, on phone you couldn't. For the sake of this arguement lets say this is homework you want to get a headstart on.). It's fast and convinient, and easy to get into contact with people if other means have failed. If you really need to talk to someone now, and the phone is tied it could be very valuable.
I view what you are doing as far too much of a blanket action. You can't just cut out the entire activity because a bit is bad. That's absurd. It would be like banning all movies if one truly horrendous one was made. It doesn't make sense. It's like banning all phones because some people spend their entire day on it. What I propose instead, or believe would be better, is to get people to use MSN more wisely. I won't lie, it'll be harder, but if successful, better in the long run. My current idea is get people to be "online" on msn at all times, and only really use it if a)You're completely free and able to talk or b)you need to get into contact with that person. To help people you could have it so you work on say your homework in the same room, but away from the computer, not next to it. So you can see if someone is talking to you, see if it's urgent, and then respond etc. etc. I'll discuss more later but I imagine you get the jist of it.
And also, Keegan my friend have you ever used msn (I dont recall ever hearing you have, certainly not in a long time/I was under the impression from you that you have not). As much as you have some good points, I find it hard to support you almost on principle because you have not tried it. Too many problems are made from people saying something is bad from only second hand knowledge. Basically I'm saying, I'd support you so much more if you did try it for a while. That's all...
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But JESUS CHRIST if you spell ARGUMENT wrong ONE MORE TIME I will THROTTLE you!!
:P Jesus man. In like every entry you've posted you've put the word and slipped an extra "e" in there. He doesn't belong there! The word is perfectly happy with two vowels! YOU'VE UPSET THE BALANCE!
I'm sorry. I'm a word Nazi, I need to get it out sometimes.
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I'm just saying we should consider this and adapt before we go on a blanket blocking of msn. I don't think it will help at all, and I want us to be able to do something to help.
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"argument" has only two vowels, does it?
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Figured it'd be you, Maya. :P
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I think MSN is mainly for dawdling around. That's why they call it "chatting", and not "having a deep, intellectual conversation" (although those do happen on occasion).
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