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kb91

Of Songs and Music (DW 4x03)

Apr 21, 2008 01:09

I made the mistake of reading some other reactions to Planet of the Ood before posting my own. Since others have already voiced most of my thoughts -- great ep, loved the way the Doctor was just an observer for once, Donna continues to rock, hello skience! -- instead of a proper review this evening, you get more of a meta from me. Aren't you just ( Read more... )

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kae_nine April 21 2008, 06:07:36 UTC

It amused me to see your post this morning, because I wrote the same type of speculation last night on my journal. *grins* I just don't believe in a happy ending for Rose and the Doctor somehow. I can't see how they'd deal with a happy ending, I mean a romantic one. And that's terrifying for me to say, considering I'm a die-hard Ten/Rose shipper.

I SO have to go to work now, so can't write more, but I wanted to reply to something you said:

I have to admit, I get chills when I watch this scene, not just for the dialogue, which is clearly a BIG HONKIN' CLUE DESIGNED TO FREAK US OUT, but for the music that replaces the Ood song during this exchange. I've seen various descriptions of it, from people much more qualified to analyze it than me, but it seems pretty clear that, even if it's a score we haven't specifically heard before, it's somehow related to Rose -- whether as the music playing as she enters the TARDIS for the first time, or as the heartbreaking Doomsday score, or some derivation of the two.Actually, it feels very aerial, ( ... )

kb91 April 21 2008, 12:41:00 UTC

I just don't believe in a happy ending for Rose and the Doctor somehow. I can't see how they'd deal with a happy ending, I mean a romantic one. And that's terrifying for me to say, considering I'm a die-hard Ten/Rose shipper.

I know what you mean -- the track record certainly isn't encouraging. Though I do think there are options -- the Doctor could decide to travel in Pete's World for awhile to be with Rose; the universes could recombine (which is my theory as to what will happen in this season) and Rose could come back to travel with him again (preferably through the 2009 specials; heh); then when we next see the Doctor, it's some unspecified number of years later, after Rose is gone, and he's mourning her death, but with the satisfaction of knowing they enjoyed her life together while they could.

The question is whether or not RTD would actually be open to them. And on that point, I'd say that's where hope comes in (and fanfic; can't forget fanfic! *g*), even if the odds might not be very good. :)

wendymr April 21 2008, 12:21:25 UTC

I hate to put a dampener on the party, but I'm convinced - some of it based on spoilers, some of it based on the long history of DW and on RTD's track record itself - that we are not going to get a happy ending for the Doctor and Rose. There'll be another goodbye, probably heartbreaking, but one that I hope will give us some real closure this time instead of leaving us with this image of Rose feeling as if she's as good as dead :(

David Tennant's been seen filming the Christmas special and I believe a co-star has been rumoured, if not announced, for this. He's also definitely confirmed for 2009. I'm convinced that at the end of this season he's completely alone again, that all the companions he's had over the past four years, who all come back to help him, will have left him.

RTD makes it clear he owes his audience nothing. :( And a happy ending for the Doctor and Rose would piss off as many people as it would please, so... *shrug*

kb91 April 21 2008, 12:54:57 UTC

RTD makes it clear he owes his audience nothing. :( And a happy ending for the Doctor and Rose would piss off as many people as it would please, so... *shrug*

I think one thing that has been clear through all of this is that RTD writes the show to please himself and the rest of us are just along for the ride. Whether he prefers a happy or a sad ending is certainly debatable, and the only way we'll know for sure is at the end of the season. (He certainly was misleading with the end of PiC.) But I don't see how one can argue that he doesn't care about the opinion of the fans, then turn around and say that the fact that it would upset as many people as it would please would have any bearing on his planned outcome. The two seem fairly mutually exclusive.

kae_nine April 21 2008, 19:10:32 UTC

Except... it's (apparently) never been part of Doctor Who canon to explore romance between the Doctor and his companion. wendymr could probably say more about that but basically, while there has always been fans to see a romantic attraction between the Doctor and his companion, it's never been said outright ( ... )

galfridian April 22 2008, 06:29:33 UTC

Here's what you ought to realize about RTD: Do not trust him. Just...don't! He'll say one thing and say another thing contrary. He's said they're best friends, but he's also said they're soul mates. Best friends doesn't prevent romantic love. It doesn't have to be followed by romantic love, but romantic love and platonic love are not necessarily exclusive from one another.

And even though it has no influence on the show's progression, it's obvious that David Tennant thinks Rose and the Doctor are in love.

I'm not trying to argue with you. Just pointing some things out. :)

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katielynn27 April 22 2008, 04:16:35 UTC

The songs in the Christmas special refers to the Doctor and Rose. "Song for Ten" was basically about the Doctor's feelings about being a new man and spending Christmas with Rose. The full version also refers to Doomsday.

"Love Don't Roam" was about the Doctor basically tired of traveling and wanting to spend his life with Rose.

"The Stowaway" is about a woman wondering if the Doctor will meet his journey's end and predicted that he will be laying with his love(Rose) next Christmas.