There are a number of instances in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) where respected biblical leaders were involved with various black magic, divination and occultic activities as a normal part of their daily activities -- apparently without any condemnations from God:
Re: hmmm....parasomnicOctober 1 2006, 20:05:12 UTC
Sorry about the slow reply.... I don't check in often enough... When I speak of "logic" I'm speaking of actual thinking processes, not the logic of specific passages in Scripture. For example, what are occultic or pagan practices? We have to define those terms before we start stating how they are applied. I don't think we can accurately define those terms outside of the context of Christianity. I would suggest that if Christianity didn't exist, "occult" would have no meaning for us.
Example: If God indeed guides a prophet to curse an individual, it CANNOT be occultic, because it is God commanding it. Occult by definition has as its source something other than the Judeo-Christian God. So if God curses a person, or orders a sacred item to be used, then it would be illogical to call that occultic. Of course, this is all dependent upon how we define "occult", and also whether or not one actually thinks the Judeo-Christian God is, in fact, the One True God.
Also, we must be very careful to distinguish between Judaism and Christianity. We can't lump all the actions undertaken by these two intimately-connected but vastly different religions as being rooted in the same beliefs or purposes. Those are the kinds of things I was talking about.
Example: If God indeed guides a prophet to curse an individual, it CANNOT be occultic, because it is God commanding it. Occult by definition has as its source something other than the Judeo-Christian God. So if God curses a person, or orders a sacred item to be used, then it would be illogical to call that occultic. Of course, this is all dependent upon how we define "occult", and also whether or not one actually thinks the Judeo-Christian God is, in fact, the One True God.
Also, we must be very careful to distinguish between Judaism and Christianity. We can't lump all the actions undertaken by these two intimately-connected but vastly different religions as being rooted in the same beliefs or purposes. Those are the kinds of things I was talking about.
Peace,
Geoff
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