Apr 19, 2009 17:55
I started the day by reading this aloud to someone in Greek, and then stumbling through sightreading the translation. (My more polished translation is below.) It was good.
Ἐπὶ μὲν ἄρα τὸ ἀπολογεῖσθαι ὑπὲρ τῆς ἀδικίας τῆς αὑτοῦ ἢ γονέων ἢ ἑταίρων ἢ παίδων ἢ πατρίδος ἀδικούσης οὐ χρήσιμος ούδὲν ἡ ῥητορικὴ ἡμῖν, ὦ Πῶλε, εἰ μὴ εἴ τις ὑπολάβοι ἐπὶ τοὐναντίον-- κατηγορεῖν δεῖν μάλιστα μὲν ἑαυτοῦ, ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ὃς ἂν ἀεὶ τῶν φίλων τυγχάνῃ ἀδικῶν, καὶ μὴ ἀποκρύπτεσθαι ἀλλ᾽ εἰς τὸ φανερὸν ἄγειν τὸ ἀδίκημα, ἵνα δῷ δίκην καὶ ὑγιὴς γένηται, ἀναγκάζειν τε καὶ αὑτὸν καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους μὴ ἀποδειλιᾶν ἀλλὰ παρέχειν μύσαντα εὖ καὶ ἀνδρείως ὥσπερ τέμνειν καὶ κάειν ἰατρῷ, τὸ ἀγαθὸν καὶ καλὸν διώκοντα, μὴ ὑπολογιζόμενον τὸ ἀλγεινόν, ἐὰν μέν γε πληγῶν ἄξια ἠδικηκὼς ᾖ, τύπτειν παρέχοντα, ἐὰν δὲ δεσμοῦ, δεῖν, ἐὰν δὲ ζημίας, ἀποτίνοντα, ἐὰν δὲ φυγῆς, φεύγοντα, ἐὰν δὲ θανάτου, ἀποθνῄσκοντα, αὐτὸν πρῶτον ὄντα κατήγορον καὶ αὑτοῦ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων οἰκείων καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦτο χρώμενον τῇ ῥητορικῇ, ὅπως ἂν καταδήλων τῶν ἀδικημάτων γιγνομένων ἀπαλλάττωνται τοῦ μεγίστου κακοῦ, ἀδικίας.
So then for the sake of defending one's own injustice, or that of parents, or friends, or children, or our country doing wrong, rhetoric is in no way useful for us, Polus, unless someone were to make use of it for the opposite-- rather, it is right to accuse oneself, and then [to accuse] one's own friends and others, whoever of your friends ever chances to do wrong, and not to hide it away but to draw out into the open the injustice, so as to pay the penalty and become healthy, both force oneself and others not to flinch, but to yield, shutting the eyes well and bravely, as if to the knife and cautery of a doctor, chasing after the good and beautiful, not taking the pain into account, but if he were to have acted unjustly in a way worthy of a beating, accepting the blows, and if [in a way worthy] of chains, giving himself to them, and if of fines, paying, and if of exile, departing, and if of execution, dying, being his own first accuser and the first accuser of his own people and using rhetoric for this thing, however he may, after making all his injustices perfectly clear, however he may recover from this greatest evil, injustice. Gorgias 480b6-d7.
I really wish Plato's logic in the Gorgias actually worked, because I'd rather not abandon sentiments like these.
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