Closing a chapter of my life

Nov 26, 2008 16:27

I always did regret how things turned out between me and Arch. I mean, we had a good relationship for awhile. And then the relationship ended and we didn't notice. And in all reality, we should have broken up then. Everything bad that happened between us was basically because we were too slow to notice that we weren't in love anymore ( Read more... )

arch, closed chapters, burnt bridges

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endlesslight November 27 2008, 02:55:57 UTC
Dude ( ... )

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 04:17:17 UTC
Stuff it. Your opinion means less than shit to anyone with half a brain in their head. I have my own reasons to view Arch and his relationship with Kat the way I do - my own discussions with both of them from that time. I do know how to wade through the he-said-she-said bullshit of a shitty relationship and maintain a friendship with both sides - or don't you remember that, you self-centered, neurotic freak?

In this case, I eventually learned enough about Arch - mostly from a single conversation directly with him - to lose any respect for him I ever had, especially in light of the fact that he chose to vanish shortly after. The end.

I agree with you that Arch and Kat were a horrific mismatch. In light of my most recent opinion on Arch, I'd say he's a horrific mismatch for anything with a pulse, but yeah, Kat specifically. I also agree that letting the past go is the best thing to do. And that Arch has always been among the worst communicators in history, where personal matters are concerned. Mostly, the only thing that I ( ... )

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terrant November 27 2008, 04:33:45 UTC
OK I see this degenerating downhill fast, so god help me for putting my 2 cents in ( ... )

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 05:05:24 UTC
Y'know, this really isn't particularly drama-worthy. It's just Kat musing about ways parting. If people weren't overly sensitive about certain things, relevant and not, then this whole conversation wouldn't be happening.

For myself, I'm not going off one side. In fact, my perception of the whole scenario was colored by trying very hard to make sense of what was going on in a way that didn't make Arch look like a complete asshat. (Not that Kat was trying to make him look bad. Far from it. She always tried to blame herself for screwed up stuff.) It baffled me, but I was determined to give him the benefit of the doubt. And then I had a long conversation with him, focused mainly on trying to talk him out of a bizarre attitude of self-indulgent voluntary martyrdom where he blamed others when the consequences of his behavior conflicted with his goals. Of course, when he found himself actually facing criticism from me, he accused Kat of telling me nasty things about him, and immediately cut all ties to me. This, of course, ( ... )

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anonymooo November 27 2008, 05:28:42 UTC
Dude, what the fuck? I don't even know where in any of Sarah's post you saw any reason to go as far as you did. Then again, I don't even know where in any of Sarah's posts, plural, you see the need to show this much vitriol. I mean, seriously, why do you hate her that much? What in the hell did she do to you to warrant this kind of an attitude to come right the fuck out of nowhere ( ... )

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 06:12:39 UTC
Honestly? This post of hers, taken on its own value, did not deserve that response, no. The response you see here is mostly a result of another recent conversation that she jumped into (again, saying how wrong I am in her opening statement) in which several arrogant, self-important bitches and I had a "discussion" which involved me trying to make a point, to be met with nothing but ridicule, followed by them chortling about how clever they were and I wasn't - but God help me if I got snippy.

That being the case, this is the second time this month that she's gotten on my case about LJ comments that didn't concern her, and I'm tired of it. Also, the subject matter happened to touch on the stupid bullshit I had to put up with back when she was venting to me about stupid shit going on in your relationship. For instance, the way she really painted you as a son of a bitch when she was in one of her moods, and yet I was friends with both of you. You see how this is relevant ( ... )

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anonymooo November 27 2008, 06:18:39 UTC
I'm not even trying to fight you, for fuck's sake. Everything is a battle with you, it's like you live in some kind of super reality where you have to explode your Cosmo push past your limits to prove your worth as a man because you swore it to your soul or some shit, I swear. XD

I mean, hell, how many times does Sarah mention that she's not trying to offend anyone, that she's saying this out of simple honesty and not wanting to instigate any negative feelings? The only time Sarah mentioned you specifically was to say that you heard something.

Holy shit, you heard something that Kat said! OH MY GOD STOP THE PRESSES IT'S TIME FOR SOME SERIOUS ASS-FUCKIN'

I'm gonna use that from now on. Anytime somebody says "Nate heard you say this," I will literally pounce on that person and eat their flesh.

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 06:35:28 UTC
Christ, kid. What is it with people and definitions these days? Sarah said shit about what I said. I jumped her ass about it. You jumped my ass about that. I replied. Regardless of what you're trying to do, this is conflict. A "fight." No fiction tropes involved - no one here, to my knowledge, is particularly interested in proving themselves to anyone or anything, and the notion of "battle" isn't really applicable. I'm just tired of Sarah getting into my shit.

If you'd have read a little closer, instead of trying to be a BIG DAMN HERO, you'd have noticed that she referred specifically to the contents of my comment in hers, suggesting that I was slandering someone who had been a friend for no reason. But no, you have to charge to the rescue, just like you always have. Look before you leap, man.

And for fuck's sake - if you absolutely can not wait to address this to me directly, I've logged back on to AIM for a bit. Send me a message, and we can resolve this. DO NOT continue to pollute Kat's journal with this garbage.

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anonymooo November 27 2008, 06:43:15 UTC
Wait, so it's okay when someone else complains about their relationship, and it's okay when you go on and on in someone else's journal for whatever reason (hey, we all have 'em), but when I continue to argue, or when Sarah rants at you, it's suddenly cardinal sin?

Sarah's my friend, dude, I don't like when people talk shit about her for no real reason. Yeah, she complained a lot when we were going out, but it was kind of for a good reason: I was a shitty boyfriend. You didn't necessarily have to listen to her, and this isn't me being a hero, this is me wanting a bromantic conversation wanting a straight answer out of you ( ... )

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 07:16:57 UTC
Is that the road you want to go down? Seriously? Okay then. Here it is. This is my problem with Sarah.

Years ago, I thought of her as a friend. I'm trying to remember why, but I can't. Presumably there was some talking about music or anime or manga. Some good times. And yeah, there were times when she was fun to talk to - probably a good percentage of the time, really.

But then there were the times when she ranted endlessly about beauty products or some other shit I couldn't care less about. Or some drama series. Or a dozen other things. But did I say anything? No. I sighed and endured.

There were occasions when I wanted to try talking about something other than the aforementioned stuff, or gossip. I do, after all, have other interests, and she clearly expected me to show an interest in hers. But that always led to her acting disgusted, and changing the subject to something she wanted to talk about. I took that shit with a smile.

I provided a shoulder to cry on through endless bad times, being a constant source of ( ... )

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anonymooo November 27 2008, 08:02:56 UTC
Okay, that's fair enough. But honestly, I didn't take Sarah's side because she was more important to me (she was) or because I wanted to defend Tachi to the end (I think fursonas are kinda silly, but he didn't deserve what he was getting).

I stopped being your friend because you constantly got into things like this with my friends--people you didn't know particularly well. This wasn't a sporadic thing, it was a little too regular for me. I didn't want to put up with it any more, because I don't like drama between friends. I don't like having to choose, but when I have to, I will without blinking, and I won't look back. Our friendship was already strained and probably gone--can you honestly say that I was as close to you at the end as I was before? You claim to have known me so well, but if that were the case, you'd know exactly how much I abhor bullying. The very notion that I was bullying Peter caused me to look back on what I was doing--and yes, I was. I still feel bad about that, and I still feel a little sick inside ( ... )

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brother_malachi November 27 2008, 15:32:36 UTC
There's a whole lot of this conversation that is years overdue for further discussion, but once again, this is not the place.

I repeatedly voiced a desire to end this, or at least take it someplace else, and yet here we are, airing our dirty laundry in the LJ of one of the very few people whose opinion I still give a shit about from those days. Because you pressed the issue. You could not let it die, or even take it someplace else. Do you see the irony here?

All I really want from you people is to be left alone. I don't care if we ever post in the same place, just keep your mouths shut about me, and it will be cool. Failing that, be civil and don't start shit with me, and I'll return the favor. See above, where Terrant posted in response to me? If I was looking for it, I could definitely take some offense to the implied criticism in the opening sentence, but I chose not to. And you know what I think of Terrant. If he and I can peacefully co-exist, the problem just might not be all me ( ... )

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endlesslight November 27 2008, 22:17:57 UTC
Ren, If you had just ignored me when I made a comment to someone else then none of this spamming of Kat's entry would have happened.

I'm not going to leave what apparently you think of as your internet just so you don't have to see me around. Just ignore me if I disgust you so much.

Nate decided to drop it as soon as Kat asked you both to, and it would have been nice if you could have done the same. I thought that since the argument was about me I could do one reply and then let it go.

Now, Kat, your friend, has asked you to stop it, so please don't respond. Just pretend I'm not here from now on and we'll all be happy.

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katastraphy November 27 2008, 08:03:28 UTC
Alright!

Fuck, this had nothing to do with either of you. Ren, seriously, take the petty hate to a different place. It's just not relevant. Sarah is still on my friends list. There's a reason for that. Mostly because I don't care if you dislike her, because I have nothing against her.

This means she has a right to post her opinion in my LJ. Without being attacked.

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katastraphy November 27 2008, 05:21:13 UTC
I'm sorry dear, but you're completely and totally off base. I have NEVER EVER believed that Arch was in any way, shape or form "stolen" from me. The Arch and I broke up, officially, about 4 months prior to the two ever getting together. What I may have said, with a huge empathsis on may, was that I saw signs that they would probably get together, and that I resent Arch waited for me to get together with my current boyfriend before making that relationship official. I may have said that he was more comfortable with her than with me in the last year of our relationship. But I NEVER thought he was "stolen." I believe one of the first things he told Seven was that our relationship had ended much much earlier and I fully agree with this assessment ( ... )

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