better late than never, right?

May 13, 2009 12:08

So, a long time ago I did the meme where I asked people to...

Comment with a story I've written, and I will tell you one thing I knew, learned, or wondered about while writing the story that didn't make it onto the page.

And, um, I’m now getting to the answers. Ooopsies?

pushkin666  asked about Five Things about Hustler!Sam (Supernatural, hints of Dean/Sam, R)

In which Sam has control issues )

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zeitheist May 13 2009, 15:04:34 UTC
I should be writing an essay right now, but my introduction and I aren't talking because it refuses to behave.

I agree with you re: Much and Robin. I don't think there's a happy ending to that story. I think Robin is one of these people who is used to being beloved by all, and thus craves attention and affection (and, latterly, validation) from as many people as possible, and I don't think he's going to suddenly turn around one day and realize how much he means to Much. For all Robin's selflessness when it comes to giving up his life for the poor, he is still intrinsically selfish in ways that preclude him from being able to see Much. Likewise, as you said: I don't think Much is going to be strong enough to let him go. I also think that cutting his ties with Robin means cutting ties, essentially, with the only life he's ever really known. To put it basically: he'd have to be pretty damn pissed about something, and I think his ability to forgive Robin for the worst of crimes means he won't stay away long.

The rumours of its abandonment have been vastly exaggerated - This made me grin, as did your looooooong meta on Andy and Ash's relationship. One of the things I've always loved about them is that they really are "doin' it wrong", because they keep having sex without the relationship bit. It's such a boy thing to do. It's always hysterically funny to write Andy being all "BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MARRIED OR ANYTHING", as both of them awkwardly navigate around the fact that they're totally fucking devoted to each other.

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kat_lair May 13 2009, 16:15:46 UTC
Bad essay. I've been half-heartedly cleaning the house today. Things accomplished so far: change sheets, clean bathroom, pick some stuff off the floor.

he is still intrinsically selfish in ways that preclude him from being able to see Much - yes, I don't think Robin sees Much as a person in his own right. Robin only thinks about him in relation to what he means or what he can do to Robin, i.e. servant, fighter, cook... Robin may think they are friends but you can only be friends with someone once you see them as your equal and treat them that way too. And for all his posturing about camaraderie and "we're all in this together blah blah", Robin never has.

It's always hysterically funny to write Andy being all "BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MARRIED OR ANYTHING", as both of them awkwardly navigate around the fact that they're totally fucking devoted to each other. - This here? So much YES. And exactly what I was trying to say, only so much more succinct. For me too the best part of writing these two is how they don't say it, but how their every action screams of love and lust and commitment. And the way you wrote them in Play Hearts, Kid, comfortable and intimate on one hand, yet still sort of unsure and awkward on the other... The journey there is going to be delicious

PS. I've updated the anywhere_road fic indexes with your epic. ♥

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zeitheist May 13 2009, 17:13:41 UTC
I am almost at 800 words! Only another 700 to go! Then I can bite the bullet and hand three of my four portfolios in tomorrow. Also: half-heartedly cleaning the house is cool. I haven't changed my sheets in a disgusting amount of time. Should probably do that tonight.

Robin may think they are friends but you can only be friends with someone once you see them as your equal and treat them that way too. - This. So much this. I can never work out if this is something the show deliberately keeps in the background, or if it's something accidental that we're picking up, but Much has never been shown as Robin's equal. I think that reading gives the Robin-Kate relationship a bit of a seedy undertone, because there's a suggestion that Robin doesn't respect Much enough to take his "claim" on Kate into account. I've always been a little bit discomforted by the lingering undertones of the master-servant relationship between Robin and Much, tbh, because it makes me uncomfortable that Robin doesn't seem to recognize him as a person. (I also suspect that Much isn't the only one clinging to the familiar framework of his old life, but that's another meta for another day).

And exactly what I was trying to say, only so much more succinct. - I think what you're trying to say is "... only with added swearing". (I may be more succinct, but I was also a lot less intellectual about it). I have to say, I love that Andy only ever uses his powers in Play Hearts, Kid to protect Ash - that wasn't even deliberate on my part, but it says a lot about what Ash means to Andy, that he's willing to do the unthinkable to protect him.

Aw, really? Thank you so much! ♥

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