Zombie Babes in Toy Land
SCENE: My Facebook page, five days ago, the evening before the president's address on healthcare reform before the joint session of Congress.
"Note also that the war in Iraq has cost >$680 billion. The GOP's policy priorities."
Rex Wessel: "note also that your worldview is beyond fucked up if you view cutting taxes as 'costly'"
Fair enough from Rex. A snide remark directed toward semantics. I'll take a comment like that, if only to learn that we're still Facebook friends.
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "and that the war in iraq has kept you safe in this country so you have the right to express your thoughts"
Guh.
Andrew Pytlik: "Agh.
"Rex: Whose world view isn't beyond fucked up?
"Adrienne: I hope you're well and happy and everything, but come on."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "I am well and happy and hope you are too, just don't forget to look at the whole picture no matter what your beliefs are"
Andrew Pytlik: "Don't forget that the whole picture includes the undue death of an estimated 100,000-1,000,000 Iraqis, killed in your name, all for a lie."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "let's not forget the American's killed for no reason on this day 8 years ago."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "do me a favor... before you post something, do some research, you know since everything is a lie*. Talk to a soldier or better yet go to Iraq and then make a decision. But also be thankful for what you have and what others have done to make sure you have those luxuries... not everyone has the same rights. Look at the positive side, yes, war sucks it is costly and people die... but without it there would still be Iraqi women murdered in public because some jerk raped her**"
*I'm not really sure what angle she's playing with that statement, but I'm assuming she has no idea what she's talking about.
"President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.
"'In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003', reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
"According to the study, Bush and seven top officials--including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice--made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.
"The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources--mainly quotes from major media organizations.
"The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.
**I think she was referring to Sharia law in Iraq. ...Which didn't exist until after Saddam was deposed, or at best: until late in his regime.
"'Ever since 1990s, when Saddam Hussein brought Islamic elements into the legal system, education and the personal status code, and allowed polygamy, women still had basic rights', she says by e-mail. 'Now in the aftermath of the occupation of Iraq, with the rise of Islamic currents, the issue of subordinating women's rights to the Islamic Sharia law seems to be a matter of extent'."
...
"Iraq's provisional constitution of 1970, at least until the 1990s, held a fairly progressive family law process. Iraqi women had access to education, the ability to refuse arranged marriages, and the right to full inheritance; their testimony counted in court; and they had a fighting chance to keep custody of their children if divorced or widowed. Islamic family law would change these rights, and not to women's advantage. Activists say that, judging from drafts of the constitution revealed so far, a woman's right to a divorce without her husband's consent, custody of male children past a certain age, and inheritance would be diminished, and she would no longer be considered equal to a man in the law's eyes."
...
"'After Saddam Hussein took power in 1979, his government began to exert control in the private sphere, setting in motion a shift toward greater restrictions for women', attests the Women for Women International conference report. 'In the 1990s, the status of women in Iraq deteriorated further under the weight of war and sanctions. A number of official resolutions limited the access of women to senior decision-making positions within the government and further restricted their freedom of movement. Since the fall of the Hussein regime, educated and outspoken women, in particular, have been targeted for assassination and kidnapping by insurgents in an attempt to eliminate their presence in public life'."
Also: Present Sharia(-inspired?) law in Iraq doesn't pose too favorably for Iraqi LGBT equality.
"[Ali] Hili continues to use a pseudonym to protect himself and insulate relatives still in Iraq. He has not returned home in eight years, but does visit Syria and Jordan to raise money and check on an underground railroad that helps spirit some gay men out of Iraq. He says the government tries to monitor the group's activities. Saif, one of the older residents at an Iraqi LGBT house, recalls Saddam's repressive but secular regime wistfully. 'Those were the most beautiful days of our lives,' he says. 'The fall [of Saddam] was the worst thing to happen'."
Not defending Saddam Hussein. Just saying.
Is there a way to "first communion" the stupid out of someone?
Pressing: How do we defeat the stupid?
And, scene.
"Note also that the war in Iraq has cost >$680 billion. The GOP's policy priorities."
Rex Wessel: "note also that your worldview is beyond fucked up if you view cutting taxes as 'costly'"
Fair enough from Rex. A snide remark directed toward semantics. I'll take a comment like that, if only to learn that we're still Facebook friends.
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "and that the war in iraq has kept you safe in this country so you have the right to express your thoughts"
Guh.
Andrew Pytlik: "Agh.
"Rex: Whose world view isn't beyond fucked up?
"Adrienne: I hope you're well and happy and everything, but come on."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "I am well and happy and hope you are too, just don't forget to look at the whole picture no matter what your beliefs are"
Andrew Pytlik: "Don't forget that the whole picture includes the undue death of an estimated 100,000-1,000,000 Iraqis, killed in your name, all for a lie."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "let's not forget the American's killed for no reason on this day 8 years ago."
Adrienne Morelli Stock: "do me a favor... before you post something, do some research, you know since everything is a lie*. Talk to a soldier or better yet go to Iraq and then make a decision. But also be thankful for what you have and what others have done to make sure you have those luxuries... not everyone has the same rights. Look at the positive side, yes, war sucks it is costly and people die... but without it there would still be Iraqi women murdered in public because some jerk raped her**"
*I'm not really sure what angle she's playing with that statement, but I'm assuming she has no idea what she's talking about.
"President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.
"'In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003', reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
"According to the study, Bush and seven top officials--including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice--made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.
"The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources--mainly quotes from major media organizations.
"The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.
**I think she was referring to Sharia law in Iraq. ...Which didn't exist until after Saddam was deposed, or at best: until late in his regime.
"'Ever since 1990s, when Saddam Hussein brought Islamic elements into the legal system, education and the personal status code, and allowed polygamy, women still had basic rights', she says by e-mail. 'Now in the aftermath of the occupation of Iraq, with the rise of Islamic currents, the issue of subordinating women's rights to the Islamic Sharia law seems to be a matter of extent'."
...
"Iraq's provisional constitution of 1970, at least until the 1990s, held a fairly progressive family law process. Iraqi women had access to education, the ability to refuse arranged marriages, and the right to full inheritance; their testimony counted in court; and they had a fighting chance to keep custody of their children if divorced or widowed. Islamic family law would change these rights, and not to women's advantage. Activists say that, judging from drafts of the constitution revealed so far, a woman's right to a divorce without her husband's consent, custody of male children past a certain age, and inheritance would be diminished, and she would no longer be considered equal to a man in the law's eyes."
...
"'After Saddam Hussein took power in 1979, his government began to exert control in the private sphere, setting in motion a shift toward greater restrictions for women', attests the Women for Women International conference report. 'In the 1990s, the status of women in Iraq deteriorated further under the weight of war and sanctions. A number of official resolutions limited the access of women to senior decision-making positions within the government and further restricted their freedom of movement. Since the fall of the Hussein regime, educated and outspoken women, in particular, have been targeted for assassination and kidnapping by insurgents in an attempt to eliminate their presence in public life'."
Also: Present Sharia(-inspired?) law in Iraq doesn't pose too favorably for Iraqi LGBT equality.
"[Ali] Hili continues to use a pseudonym to protect himself and insulate relatives still in Iraq. He has not returned home in eight years, but does visit Syria and Jordan to raise money and check on an underground railroad that helps spirit some gay men out of Iraq. He says the government tries to monitor the group's activities. Saif, one of the older residents at an Iraqi LGBT house, recalls Saddam's repressive but secular regime wistfully. 'Those were the most beautiful days of our lives,' he says. 'The fall [of Saddam] was the worst thing to happen'."
Not defending Saddam Hussein. Just saying.
Is there a way to "first communion" the stupid out of someone?
Pressing: How do we defeat the stupid?
And, scene.