". . . attempts to bargain with or “handle” the unseen world." Most of the world (postmodern) has debunked the things mentioned in your list, but I wonder if we've replaced them with similar images in movies, tv, and video games. While we say we don't "worship" these things, our actions say something completely different
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Re: the middle and pomokareyswanApril 12 2005, 22:04:15 UTC
What I see is that the majority of the west is still moderns (mods). It's them that's debunked that list. The pomos are coming out in more and more current writings. I'm seeing an acceptance or return to maybe shamans and the like as ok and cool since all is ok, yet a one and only Truth is not ok. (Dawson's had me listen to lots of series that young people are really into that follow along with the Harry Potter trend. They're actually great stories.) Cool, in that there's a vacuum still wanting to be fueled that modernity has nothing to offer. There's more talk of "creating space" and a return to the contemplative, but not in the True Christian sense.
I loved the Streams of Living Water book. I'm strong in the contemplative and incarnational streams. As a contemplative, I appreciated Foster's comments in many of the streams that the fault of many of the streams is to forgo the contemplative and move in to the more external, visible action stuff. Thus not refueled regularly from the source, so can overflow to the world around us.
Re: the middle and pomola_dolcezzaApril 13 2005, 03:19:31 UTC
When you refer to the west as modern do you mean just the USA because it seems that Europe is more postmodern than modern. Sometimes I get confused between elements of our culture and the world generally when it comes to the labels we use. My reference to the world as postmodern may be wrong and I'm willing to amend my stance accordingly.
Of all the streams I'm the weakest on social justice. Honestly I see little value in trying to make the world a better place when scripture points clearly to a constant downhill slide. The funny part is I know I'm wrong. If Christ found it important then it is. Knowing this helps me to understand people who have trouble with the other streams.
Re: the middle and pomokareyswanApril 13 2005, 03:55:51 UTC
I guess I'm referring to the US. And I mentioned stuff I'm seeing in writing, but as you said, movies and art in general are what I think of as the label "postmodern" for bringing back that excluded middle. And I'm no expert, but it's my gut feeling, or intuition. I still see alot of modern people around me moreso than postmodern (excepting the unification or wholeness Biblically in many in my church. Not to rave, but I love the church we're in right now!)
I'm weakest on social justice too. But bits of that have been changing lately, moreso locally though. The doing part of it is still slow, but my heart has been moving toward all peoples. It's like little glimpses of God's love overflowing in a part of me that's been so judgemental or cynical, without mercy. Yet Jesus seems to hold those attitudes still for the Pharisees of his day. So there's a place. But again, those glimpses or overflow in me are coming in this "hard" heart from the contemplation stream. I'm not naturally there at all!!!
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I loved the Streams of Living Water book. I'm strong in the contemplative and incarnational streams. As a contemplative, I appreciated Foster's comments in many of the streams that the fault of many of the streams is to forgo the contemplative and move in to the more external, visible action stuff. Thus not refueled regularly from the source, so can overflow to the world around us.
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Of all the streams I'm the weakest on social justice. Honestly I see little value in trying to make the world a better place when scripture points clearly to a constant downhill slide. The funny part is I know I'm wrong. If Christ found it important then it is. Knowing this helps me to understand people who have trouble with the other streams.
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I'm weakest on social justice too. But bits of that have been changing lately, moreso locally though. The doing part of it is still slow, but my heart has been moving toward all peoples. It's like little glimpses of God's love overflowing in a part of me that's been so judgemental or cynical, without mercy. Yet Jesus seems to hold those attitudes still for the Pharisees of his day. So there's a place. But again, those glimpses or overflow in me are coming in this "hard" heart from the contemplation stream. I'm not naturally there at all!!!
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