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leiascully December 31 2012, 23:48:09 UTC
As a queer woman, I'm nearly always in favor of canonical gay relationships, so the legitimacy of Vastra/Jenny pleases me in a way that leaving it subtext would not have. I know about your deep love of subtext, but saying it out loud matters a lot to me and my queer friends. Vastra has pretty much said whatever she wanted in her few minutes of screentime, so I doubt she'd really be bothered. She's a lizard woman. She's not trying to fit in.

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karaokegal December 31 2012, 23:56:51 UTC
To me it just felt like Moff scoring points. (Especially in light of the vast amounts of fan-service bait and switch he's pulled on Sherlock.) But I take your point...the "married" line just threw me off, because IF it's supposed to be literal...how exactly would that have happened in that time and place? (Maybe there's fanfic to be written about the Doctor performing the ceremony in some capacity as the "captain" of his own ship?)

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leiascully January 1 2013, 00:22:37 UTC
Well, we don't know anything about Homo reptilia weddings either, so that's hard to say. Also, surely even in Victorian times there were a few non-jackasses/subversives, or Jenny might have dressed as a man. She seems plenty comfortable in those trousers, and Vastra did forget the difference between men and women at one point.

My point is that I don't care if it's fanservice. It makes me feel like there's a little less loathing in a world that sometimes hates me very much. I don't get to get married, after all. It's nice that Vastra and Jenny did.

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karaokegal January 1 2013, 00:24:31 UTC
Maybe we'll all get to see a world (or at least a United States) where you do.

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leiascully January 1 2013, 04:22:39 UTC
That would be nice, but until it happens, I'm still happy to have text and not just subtext. It doesn't exactly make me feel any less like a second-class citizen.

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karaokegal January 1 2013, 18:27:54 UTC
This thread and the issues raised have given birth to new plot bunny. (Not counting Yuletide, this is the first spontaneous appearance of my fanfic muse in quite a while.)

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leiascully January 1 2013, 19:37:08 UTC
Hmm. Tentative congratulations.

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cuddyclothes January 1 2013, 00:30:25 UTC
Are you in America? If not, there are plenty of states to visit to get married!

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leiascully January 1 2013, 04:21:12 UTC
Unfortunately, it doesn't really work that way, since my state wouldn't acknowledge the validity of my marriage if I did do that. I could have a ceremony any time I wanted, but I wouldn't have the same rights as other people. Additionally, I'll be happy to see canon gay couples on television even after gay marriage is legalized worldwide, because we're underrepresented.

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