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donutsweeper July 21 2012, 00:00:57 UTC
For me, it's boo-hiss Jamie Lee because she pushed her way in, lied to Gibbs, yanked him and the team around and then acted all affronted when they start to do the same to her. Then she lied more, tweaked the truth, told their secrets to others, endangered them and yet somehow Gibbs was supposed to have fallen in love with her? No.

Lily Tomlin was snarky and withheld info/didn't tell the truth too, but she was a once-off and had a point in being there and it wasn't to be dangled out as a shove-down-our-throat love interest who would outstay her welcome by many, many episodes.

Ermmmmm sorry, this rant was brought to you by a hatred of Dr. Ryan and the letters NCIS.

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karaokegal July 21 2012, 00:40:48 UTC
You almost wonder if instead of writing a character and finding an actress to play it, they got a call from Jamie Lee's agent saying she wanted to be on the show and then starting throwing together a bunch of quirks and plot points that suited her persona. (I'm almost surprised we haven't seen her eating yoghurt.)

I don't believe for a millisecond that Gibbs fell in love with her and not that's not just my Gibbs/Fornell shipper self talking. That's someone who's seen what Gibbs looks like in various situations with people he might love or be in love with or lust after or just barely tolerate. This was not an "in love" Gibbs. No way, Jose.

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donutsweeper July 21 2012, 00:45:14 UTC
You know, that might explain it because there is no other way her character made a lick of sense. And there was simply no earthly way Gibbs would have fallen for someone who LIED TO HIM. REPEATEDLY. It was such terrible writing.

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cookielaura July 21 2012, 00:33:28 UTC
I've never watched an episode of this, even though I've enjoyed some fanfic on it which I've read because I like the authors! I don't know if I didn't fancy watching it because the name is too close to CSI and that annoyed me (plus I was sick of CSI by the time NCIS came on), or whether it was because I didn't know what NCIS stood for (I have just googled it this very minute to find out), or some other weird reason... But I have seen a couple of Abby/Gibbs clips on youtube and kind of like them, so maybe I'll get round to it someday.

...Hmm. Pointless comment. Sorry, I think when I started it I assumed I'd have something useful to say!

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karaokegal July 21 2012, 00:37:15 UTC
There have been a couple of in-universe references where characters don't know what NCIS is either.

Airport Security Guy: "NCIS anything like CSI?
Tony: "Only if you're dyslexic"

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damigella_314 July 21 2012, 09:32:55 UTC
LOL. Good to know you're aware of denial when you say this show is one you don't much care about. Reading this was a pleasure, as has been getting to know those characters in a confused haphazard way by reading your fics.
Of which I hope there will be many.
As for Ziva, I always imagine her looking like an Israeli friend/colleague of mine who once changed the topic of her talk because "that research is now classified" (she's also otherwise totally badass in a number of ways).

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karaokegal July 21 2012, 16:27:02 UTC
Aside from a few serious lapses (almost entirely related to "love" plots), Ziva has been awesomely bad-ass since her first appearance where she threw Tony for a loop by reminding him that woman fantasize sexually and implied that it might be about another woman as well. Also, Cote De Pablo is gorgeous.

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chocolate_frapp July 21 2012, 16:22:32 UTC
I've only seen a few epies because people talked me into it due to my liking CSI (before some of my fave characters left) and House (before the writers all went batshit insane) but I was totally bored by it. Abby was the only character I found interesting (which is why I put her in my made up sitcom I did for you) and I thought CSI had much better mystery plots.

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karaokegal July 21 2012, 16:30:35 UTC
The NCIS mysteries are somewhat limited by needing to fall within the military parameters, however I can't see they're necessarily worse or better than CSI. I think CSI had really good stuff in the first two seasons, but as soon as they got SERIOUS even those went downhill. NCIS, when it focuses on the procedural stuff has been consistently better and has managed to fend off most of the SERIOUS over the long haul. Not always, mind you. Anytime I'm supposed to give a flying fig about Gibbs and his manpain (Kelly and Shannon) I tend to zone out until it's back to Abby doing something awesome.

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