what do you see in him again?

Nov 22, 2009 02:15

We went to see New Moon this afternoon. Lord help me.

It was cheese-tastic. You can visit thefreak to read the blow by hilarious blow, but suffice it to say, there was much laughter, we were loudly shushed by some Twi-hards, and when wolf boy took his shirt off, I think 100 women ovulated all at once ( Read more... )

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Really? anonymous December 1 2009, 19:22:35 UTC
Suitable role modeling in literature read by high school and middle school students...like Holden Caufield? Ethan Frome? Rhett Butler? Romeo? Are there actually ANY examples of young people modeling their behavior off of these characters from these hugely influential texts? Are there any examples of girls entering in to abusive relationships with boys because of the Twilight series? Give young women a little credit. There are a lot of elements in the books that have appeal and even meet needs in women, young and not-so-young, but putting Edward into an abuser box is not part of it.

I used to teach middle school and one thing we taught was context. Out of context you could call Edward an abuser, but in context he's self-sacrificial to a fault and his actions actually make sense because not only is Bella a magnet for trouble, he's not even human. If Edward were human and Bella were not in danger all of those behaviors that have been deemed potentially abusive would not exist. Given that vampires don't exist, and the readers are not in danger on a regular basis the behavior would be out of context and thus deemed unacceptable to the readers. Remember, the character of Bella is stubborn as hell, and if she doesn't like something she makes it known. She isn't swayed or influenced by her peers, she knows who she is and who she is not and she is not afraid of Edward, even if he is afraid of himself.

I actually interviewed Robert Pattinson and asked the question, "is Edward mentally 108-ish or is he mentally 17?" and his response was that Edward, as he understood it, stayed 17, in all ways, but that 17 of 108 years ago was more mature than the 17 of today, and that on top of it he had 90-something years of experience and knowledge, but he was still a 17-year-old. That changes things a little too.

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Re: Really? anonymous December 4 2009, 23:52:09 UTC
Although I agree that we should give young women a little more credit, I find it interesting that you bring up Holden Caufield as an example of how people don't model their behavior after texts. Ever heard of Michael David Chapman?

I also think you're misreading Bella's stubbornness. In Bella's case, her stubborness is a fatal flaw and in a few cases it makes her behave recklessly. I would also say she is swayed and influenced by her peers in a few cases. For instance, she allows Alice to throw a party for her although she doesn't want a party. She also went to prom when she didn't want to because Edward wanted her to go. I know these aren't the best examples, but I don't have tons of time to think about it right now. I would have to agree with the rest of the haters who think Bella is blank. Aside from her stubbornness, there isn't a lot else there.

Finally, Robert Pattinson is an actor playing a character in a movie. That is his interpretation of Edward. My interpretation is that he is an old man stalking and manipulating a young woman, and I know I'm not alone on this one.

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Re: Really? anonymous December 4 2009, 23:57:40 UTC
Correction: Mark David Chapman. Apologies.

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