anything goes within limits
I visited the website of the 5th largest political party in the US, ranked by ballot access, a communist one -- not, however, the Communist Party USA -- and saw "For the planet to live, capitalism must end."
I like that they're environmentally aware, but I disagree. I don't think that environmentalism and capitalism are fundamentally opposed. I also don't think that environmentalism and communism are fundamentally aligned.
Whichever system of politics and economy you organize, the most important thing from an environmentalist point of view is that you operate within the limits of sustainability. You could design capitalism that stays within environmental limits, and you could design communism that blasts through all environmental limits.
I identify and register as a Green not because I oppose communism, but because I think the limits of sustainability must come first. If we could all, somehow LOL, agree on the sustainability limits, then we could argue amongst ourselves about everything else, including people vs. profit etc.
Arguing over how to share the pie makes no sense to me when we're heading toward the cliff of unsustainability. I don't know for certain when we'll tumble over that cliff edge, but physics as we know it says we cannot keep growing GDP at 2%/year indefinitely, and we cannot keep growing our human population indefinitely.
I've heard both capitalists and socialists complain that Greens favor frogs over humans, but Greens favor sustainability and living within our ecological means. So, yeah, frogs get some. But it's not an either/or, it's a both. To which limits must we adhere --> so we don't break the planet for both ourselves and so many other species.
It's not that I'm "degrowth", it's that I favor living within our means. If we can grow sustainably, great! But clearly that's not what we're currently doing.
I like that they're environmentally aware, but I disagree. I don't think that environmentalism and capitalism are fundamentally opposed. I also don't think that environmentalism and communism are fundamentally aligned.
Whichever system of politics and economy you organize, the most important thing from an environmentalist point of view is that you operate within the limits of sustainability. You could design capitalism that stays within environmental limits, and you could design communism that blasts through all environmental limits.
I identify and register as a Green not because I oppose communism, but because I think the limits of sustainability must come first. If we could all, somehow LOL, agree on the sustainability limits, then we could argue amongst ourselves about everything else, including people vs. profit etc.
Arguing over how to share the pie makes no sense to me when we're heading toward the cliff of unsustainability. I don't know for certain when we'll tumble over that cliff edge, but physics as we know it says we cannot keep growing GDP at 2%/year indefinitely, and we cannot keep growing our human population indefinitely.
I've heard both capitalists and socialists complain that Greens favor frogs over humans, but Greens favor sustainability and living within our ecological means. So, yeah, frogs get some. But it's not an either/or, it's a both. To which limits must we adhere --> so we don't break the planet for both ourselves and so many other species.
It's not that I'm "degrowth", it's that I favor living within our means. If we can grow sustainably, great! But clearly that's not what we're currently doing.