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Jul 19, 2006 19:18

I salute Iran. They're ability to completely shift the world's attention from their nuclear misadventures to Israel is astounding. For those who don't know, Hizbollah is Iran's representation on the Mediterranean (with as much as $100 million going to the terrorist organization from Iran last year alone). Notice how the world isn't talking about ( Read more... )

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aleylueyah July 23 2006, 03:18:09 UTC
Coming from the local (pro-Israel, Christian) Lebanese girl...

Yes. Beirut is apparently obliterated at this point in time. Taking out the airport and any other modes of transportation was an excellent move on Israel's part. And all that bombing was effective. A lot of Lebanese civilians have died. At the same time, how many are hiding Hizbollah's bombs under their clothes? Hizbollah is a large portion of Lebanon's government, and Hizbollah is very popular with the Lebanese people. Not only are they a terrorist organization, but they give humanitarian aid to Lebanon. Sticky.

Israeli intelligence says that they've knocked out about 50% of Hizbollah's infrastructure--leaving the trickier stuff like land invasion to do.

I don't blame Israel. History shows how often issues/war with Lebanon have/has happened in the past two decades. I also don't like to see so many people--Lebanese people to boot--dying.

Apparently Israeli intelligence prevented several Hizbollah suicide bombings in major cities of Israel from happening. Kudos to Israel. They're tough.

Anyway.
I'm done for now.

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aleylueyah July 24 2006, 03:36:25 UTC
Okay, I'm not sure what either of you would prescribe for the US position. Do you think Israel's current response will achieve, or even contribute, to a long term solution? And just to get somewhat close to the bone, is your religion helping you to find a solution? Or is it your religion that is telling you there is a revealed truth that others must come to understand? I believe diplomacy is the highest human calling. The ultimate arena where differing (all legitimate) points of view face compromise. Can you compromise?

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keetee711 July 24 2006, 03:53:22 UTC
this is Jesse

Israel's current response will get Hizbollah to stop harrassing them all the time. That's an excellent long term solution, because history proves that its been a long term problem.

Does my religion influence my opinion? Definately. I am pro Israel because I am a Christian, and I know that the Jews are God's chosen people, and those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel cursed. I basically bank off of the Bible.

I'm not sure I understand your question though.

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kangarookornkid July 24 2006, 04:03:34 UTC
If Hizbollah is defeated (disarmed, dismantled, destroyed) there will be peace on Israel's northern border. Lebanon will be free from the tyranny of Hizbollah which only brings death and destruction.

Diplomacy would of course be nice. I would love a world where you could sit down and broker a deal with terrorists. Unfortunately, terrorists believe themselves sent by God (or, more importantly, Iran) and thus whatever they do is justified (especially the deliberate targeting and killing of innocents). UN Resolution 1559 calls for the disarming of Hizbollah. However, like most UN resolutions, there were no teeth behind it and Hizbollah only grew stronger. Occasionally, it has been actions that get results and not empty words.

I would end with these questions: How do you compromise with people who refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist? And are you narrow minded enough to believe that violence only begets more violence?

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aleylueyah July 30 2006, 02:59:45 UTC
I could be a little pissed off that you called be narrow-minded. After all you have absolutely no perspective on my point of view. And the concern that violence in the Middle East is not a solution isn't exactly a crazed notion. And, lease, trust me that my belief that diplomacy is critical is based upon a rather deep reading of history in the Middle East and following the news on a day-to-day basis through various moderate news sources. News sources that try to present facts, not support biases. I suspect you might be one of those conservative group-think types. The type that seeks their "news" from prejudiced sources in order to satisfy a personal prejudice. Forgive me, but I base that comment on your post about main stream media slanting news to be negative about Iraq. And that is one of the most moronic comments I have ever read on Livejournal. quite an honor...

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kangarookornkid July 30 2006, 18:45:33 UTC
First off, any attempt to insult me will only put a grin on my face. So I thank you for making me feel warm inside.

Your point of view seems to be that of moral equivalency: that the two sides in this conflict are moral equals.
If you had in fact followed the news as closely as you claim, you'd notice that one side of the conflict is actively targeting civilians (and has a staked interest in a rising body count) and another has in fact called ahead to residents of regions that may be bombed in order to warn them to vacate the area. Also, you might have picked up that Hezbollah is hiding weapons in civilian populations, an active war crime (to go along with actively targeting civilians).

You have yet to answer my more pressing question of how to negotiate a compromise with those who refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. As Ellie Wiesel said on Fox News (as they get better interviews*) "How do you negotiate with someone who wants you dead?"

Of course, using the Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean's logic, you are anti-Semitic for not denouncing Hezbollah (you might not know, but he called the Iraqi Prime Minister an anti-Semite for not denouncing Hezbollah or supporting Israel's right to defender herself).

Also it should be noted that Fox News is the #1 leading cable news channel, so it is QUITE mainstream (MSNBC, CNN, and Headline News COMBINED didn't get even close to Fox News during the ratings peak of the current crisis). It should also be noted that liberals bash it at their own peril (bashing someone's source of news won't get you votes or win an argument, though it will alienate the clear majority).

*A few weeks ago at the beginning of the current crisis former speaker of the house (and probable presidential candidate) Newt Gingrich, current US Ambassador the UN John Bolton, and (former presidential candidate) Rev Al Sharpton were all on the O'Reilly Factor on the same night. It almost goes without needing to be said that the O'Reilly factor is the leading cable news program.

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