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kamikazitaxi

Look kids, something worthy to protest.

May 04, 2005 22:32

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0505/04neace.html

Thats the website, but it cause you to spend about 15 minutes signing up for AJC in order to get the article.
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( So here it is: Grade controversy at Dacula )

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sonicnature May 5 2005, 15:01:28 UTC

I agree.

I have met maybe three people that I can actually stand from that school.

However, I cannot bring myself to agree with this man's policy. Grades are ACADEMIC evaluation marks, not "this kid dissed me by sleeping in class" marks. Sleeping in class is a disciplinary issue, and should be handled as such through parental consultation and discliplinary actions such as detention. Grades should be left as what they were intended, academic performance evaluation tools.

I think it sucks that this is only coming out because of a stupid football player, though. Sports favoritism permeates our culture, especially in ass-backwards Georgia. They've had problems with this stuff at UGA before, too.

punkitup May 5 2005, 23:48:02 UTC

yes but in order to answer questions on such a worksheet correctly the student must be engaged in the lab or else he was cheating so is the 0 wrong?

sonicnature May 5 2005, 23:55:29 UTC

The instructor should have said that the assignment was due at the end of that particular lab period if he wanted to prevent that. I'm not encouraging cheating, but it has to be expected when assignments are due on a later date than the relevant class. Other students can simply stay awake, not do anything of import, and copy someone elses work. How is that fair?

kamikazitaxi May 6 2005, 01:38:26 UTC

They can, but the teacher can't be 100% confident that such kids are cheating. If you are asleep than there is no way you could have the knowledge to do such a worksheet.

sonicnature May 6 2005, 01:51:42 UTC

See Jordan's comment below. He got to it before I did, but he's right. There isn't really a way, even with sleeping, for a teacher to prove 100% that cheating occured. And participation grades are against the policies of the school system... if you want an assignment done in class, make it due at the end of the period. The teacher has always been wrong, it's just disgusting that it took a football player to call attention to it after it's been going on this long.

sonicnature May 6 2005, 01:53:31 UTC

Plus, I slept through classes already knowing the material beforehand, so I could do assignments even with sleeping and no cheating.

I know the football player probably doesn't fit into that category, but it's wrong to classify him without actually knowing him or his academic record.

kamikazitaxi May 6 2005, 17:18:09 UTC

Check hada_hermosa. Mate.

sonicnature May 6 2005, 19:15:07 UTC

Check my response.

Really, Tyler. I don't think saying "mate" in response to someone else responding to my comment offers any substanitive value to the discussion, especially when their response is mostly based on an emotional response, a "need" to defend this teacher. I've never met the teacher. I cannot say whether or not this was worth terminating his job over.

Also, I responded to her.

Be careful you don't offend people who are simply involved in a discussion, as heated the topic may be.

kamikazitaxi May 6 2005, 17:19:00 UTC

And... is this worth firing the teacher over?

I believe that is the more important issue.

hada_hermosa May 6 2005, 04:46:33 UTC

I see what Doc Neace did as a participation grade and there is nothing in GCPS policy that say this can't be done. In PE as a freshman your only grades are participation, in band you get daily grades for participation, in many AP classes daily discussion counts as a participation grade. The student failed to participate. Academic success in a public school depends on participation, especially a science lab. Doc Neace is not the type of man who would feel "dissed". He's an honest man who really focuses on teaching his students, not baby-sitting them like a majority of the rest of GCPS teachers.

Giving a lowered grade was not a substitution for disciplinary action. Doc Neace's syllabus given out at the beginning of the year calls for participation in labs, the expectations are laid out and the student couldn't follow the rules.

I do love the generalizations about Dacula, by the way.

sonicnature May 6 2005, 19:08:53 UTC

I understand that you may have respect for this teacher. I honestly do not know enough about this situation to talk that much more about it in terms of individual details. However, P.E. classes are VERY different than academic classes. They require, by their nature, that the participants dress out and perform physical activities because that is what the class is evaluating. Academic classes do not evaluate this the same way, but rather focus on the subject matter itself ( ... )

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