Boldthrough '07: Uh, we're child molesters? Again?
Given Boldthrough '07, I think we should talk about legal issues regarding underage characters. NOTE THAT I AM NOT A LAWYER. Also note that I understand that LJ and SA are private organizations [ETA: and therefore can delete whatever the hell they want, legally], that they are under tremendous pressure, and that the law is kind of confusing
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On the one hand, I am pissed at LJ because I think, again, like you said, despite the stressful atmosphere that exists right now, how they treated their users, one who had a permanent account, no less, was appalling. I understand that they have the right to terminate anyone's journal without notice, but WHY in the world would they do this, at least without asking them to take down the artwork in the first place? I understood that they did that in the May Strikethrough, but it wasn't permanent then, or without the possibility of being appealed, especially for fandom journals.
On the other hand, I am like, guys, seriously, lock that shit down. I'm just saying, haven't we learned anything from the May Strikethrough? This isn't anything to do with breaking laws, at least on our part; I think synecdochic makes a really good point at how they're trying to preempt all possible legality issues in the future.
Anyway, at this point, I don't even know what to think. I defended LJ/SA in the May Strikethrough, and I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I don't know. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
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Yes. Yes! WHY THE DOUCHERY? I just, come ON, stop pussyfooting around this shit. Tell us what you are going to do, in general, before you do it. Tell us what you are going to do, specifically, before you do it. Tell us WHEN you do it, instead of hoping we don't find out. AND DON'T DO IT DURING A CON WEEKEND. AAARGH. It's not that they aren't justified (although by the reasoning they announced, they AREN'T), it's that they're being dishonest, and cowardly, and basically just dicking around a lot and pissing people off. Way to go, LJ!! LJ FTW!
*breathes heavily*
Oh my God, I hate locking fic so much, though! I'm sorry, I just. I was a lurker for SO LONG, and I keep my flist STRICTLY defined by "people whose journals I want to read" rather than "people I trust with pornfiction," and I don't know, maybe flock works for some people, but I hate it as a general fandom rule. I don't want to go into hiding for stuff that's both morally and legally FINE. It's not in my nature.
I defended them, too. And I never thought I'd say this. I honestly love LJ. But we need to get the hell out - and not just to IJ or GJ or JF. Color me a conspiracy theorist and build me a damn bomb shelter: we need a server of our own.
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I totally agree with you, I keep my f-list the same way and I HATE f-locking things, which is why I only do it if they're personal posts, and not even then, sometimes. It irritates me whenever I come across an f-locked entry, so.
And, yeah, I was totally not convinced to leave LJ the last time this happened, but this time around -- I'm inclined to agree with you. But it's just, god, it's so fucking hard to set up a place for our own, and I know people are trying with fanarchive, but I'm so skeptical that an actual forum similar to LJ is going to happen, and to have it work, to say the least. Not saying that we shouldn't try, but. It'll be an uphill battle, at best.
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Exactly, dude. I actually try and remember to click *do not share* on del.icio.us for locked posts, just because I find it so profoundly irritating to click on a link to a story that sounds good and get denied access.
fandom_flies is looking active, too. I guess I'm more inclined to believe someone will successfully set up a place of our own, now that so many people will actually GO there, you know? I mean, the atmosphere is substantially different now than it was in May, as far as I can tell.
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But, see, that's the thing, innit? Even if someone sets a place up, who's to say everyone will go there? Even now, fandom hardly has a consensus on the issue, despite the fact that it seems that there are more people who are leaning towards leaving. "Mainstream" fandoms or the ones that have been targeted, like HP, might be ready to leave, but, god, and this kind of makes me a little ashamed, I have yet to see ONE bandom member write a single sentence on the issue, besides, like, you and madsciencechick, and you guys are awesome and are all about the meta, which I think a lot of bandom members are allergic to or something. (Oh, an eleanor_lavish, but that was to say that she was staying.)
Therefore, I think bandom, out of all the fandoms, is probably the least inclined to leave LJ, which, god, makes me so conflicted about this.
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