Genius vs. Genius: Bishie hair, two PhDs, one hot MESS

Jun 04, 2009 14:34

Look, this is just a hot mess.

Everyone has bishie hair, the inks are heavy, Jocasta's pose is awkward, Cassie's looking a bit...more mature, as we shall say.

But I can't decide if this is completely batshit awesome or horrible. I am literally in no man's land about this, deeply buried in a philosophical and existential conundrum ( Read more... )

secret six, avengers, comics, gail simone, dan slott, whut is this, marvel

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Re: YOU. YOU OWE ME AN ANSWER. thehefner June 4 2009, 23:08:09 UTC
Ha, you know me too well! Damn my predictable obsession.

Yeah, it really makes me long for the thought that Greg will find some way to get Harvey and Renee back together on some level other than stalker/stalkee should the Question and Two-Face ever meet up. Dang it, it can't end with "Half A Life," it just can't! They were too good together! In their totally fucked-up way as you so perfectly describe!

Well, I am rather attracted to lesbians and drag kings as it is (which has, as you might imagine, resulted in a story or two), and those issues where Scandal's in a suit...? Yeah, cloying as it may have been, GUH.

I didn't? Egad! *checks back* Oh! I thought you were speaking rhetorically. No, if they're going full Asgard with this first movie (bringing him to Midgard with the AVENGERS film, I believe), I'd think they'd HAVE to include Sif at least, if not Enchantress and/or Hela! I just can't imagine them not. It's a Marvel Studios film too, and so far they've been pretty strict about sticking to canon characters.

Balder, I don't know about. But again, if we're going full Asgard with the first movie, I think it'd be a safe bet that we'd have the full Marvel Thor cast of gods.

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Re: YOU. YOU OWE ME AN ANSWER. kali921 June 4 2009, 23:11:32 UTC
Oh, we BETTER have a Balder. AND a goddamn rainbow bridge with Heimdall at the gates of Asgard looking ALL FUCKING BUSINESS. I know that you've never read PAD's Captain Marvel run, but there are only a handful of times that I can remember where Heimdall is actually used for comic relief, and when Genis-Vell comes to Asgard one day in search of godhood, strolls up the rainbow bridge and starts taunting Heimdall (this is when Genis was in Ultra-Insane mode, and Rick Jones is FREAKING OUT in this sequence because Genis almost kills Heimdall), oh my GOD, I hurt from laughing so hard.

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Re: YOU. YOU OWE ME AN ANSWER. thehefner June 4 2009, 23:23:57 UTC
I wonder if they can pull off the Rainbow Bridge. We'll see! But if they do, I decree that it henceforth be dubbed THE GODDAMN RAINBOW BRIDGE.

I know, I and I need to! Shit, I should just get all the back issues that aren't reprinted and get the rest of the trades and have myself a marathon read. The bits I've read are really some of the best PAD moments I've seen.

Also, as someone who--prepare your mouth for gaping in horror--has never read the Walt Simonson THOR run, I anxiously await Marvel getting off their butts and putting those trades back in ding-dang print! ARGH.

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An actual Harvey-related question! kali921 June 4 2009, 23:30:07 UTC
GODDAMN RAINBOW BRIDGE it is, with Heimdall Unceasingly Fucking Vigilant. (Also, I dearly hope Branagh isn't going to screw with the Kirby!tech look of Marvel's Asgardians. You screw with those helmets, you screw with ME. One of the things that attracts me about JMS's Thor run is that Oliver Coipel on pencils actually has the random background Asgardians BACK IN THEIR KIRBY HELMETS. Yay! He's managed to find a nice balance between our Norse conventions and that cracked out space!Asgardian look.)

So, I realize that I have probably not read all of Harvey and Renee's on-panel appearances together. Could you give me a list (title, issue, etc.)? I have a feeling that I'm missing some stuff here.

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Re: An actual Harvey-related question! thehefner June 4 2009, 23:46:12 UTC
God, here's hoping they do incorporate Kirby tech! I hadn't even considered that, but you're absolutely right! That would really help set it apart from just another fantasy film and establish it firmly in MARVEL, y'know?

I dunno about issue titles and number specifically. As far as I know, they were ALL done by Greg Rucka, and the majority can be found in the trades of NO MAN'S LAND (esp. 2 and 4, IIRC) and GOTHAM CENTRAL vol 2: "Half a Life."

Beyond that, there was DETECTIVE COMICS # 755, the one where Harvey crashed Jim Gordon's retirement party. They only really share a panel or two together, where Renee tries to talk reason to Harvey. I think he just replied, "Not now, Renee. You look nice, by the way."

And then there's the ill-fated "This Issue... Batman DIES!" issue where Harvey writes and draws his own mary sue comic book, with Renee as his own sexy Girl Friday character. Very strange issue. I remember Greg telling me once at a con how he had a whole other plan for that issue, and man, I'd love to have read that one. Alas.

And then there was one more moment in GOTHAM CENTRAL where the cops visited Arkham and there was one panel of Harvey screaming for Renee to come back and talk to him. Which was weird, considering it was the cured, bald, post-Hush Harvey.

Which, by the way, was his ONLY appearance between HUSH and FACE THE FACE; I understand Loeb made it so no one could use Harvey until Loeb himself wrote some next big story arc that never came to pass, so we got Robinson coming in the One Year Later story to bring it all back to status quo in a lazy, cheap way. Can you just imagine the story potential of Renee (on her way to becoming the Question, or afterward) meeting up with a cured Harvey? Such a waste!

Beyond that, I don't think there's anything else. Unless, of course, Mr. Rucka himself sees fit to correct me. :)

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Moar questions! kali921 June 4 2009, 23:54:52 UTC
That would really help set it apart from just another fantasy film and establish it firmly in MARVEL, y'know?

YES. Thank you. Eggsactly. Because THAT is Marvel's utterly unprecedented and unique (in the TRUE sense of the word) spin on Norse mythology, and THAT's the essential core spirit of what makes the House of Ideas the House of Ideas.

As he is friended to this journal, Mr. Rucka may very well see fit to add to this discussion!

And then there's the ill-fated "This Issue... Batman DIES!" issue where Harvey writes and draws his own mary sue comic book, with Renee as his own sexy Girl Friday character. Very strange issue. I remember Greg telling me once at a con how he had a whole other plan for that issue, and man, I'd love to have read that one. Alas.

THIS I have not read. What title did this occur in? My god, I knew that I was missing out on good stuff!

Loeb. Heeey, I was thinking the other night about Loeb and Rulk, and I was struck with a BRILLIANT thought! You know who the ANTI-LOEB is?

Christopher Priest.

You want to know why?

Because when Priest was writing the Black Panther book -- and Priest is obviously and with good reason a HUGE T'Challa fanboy, and wrote T'Challa as the brilliant strategist and incomprehensibly intelligent tactician that he should be -- Priest made sure that although T'Challa could outthink and outfight almost everyone in the end, occasionally T'Challa got a righteous beatdown.

You know what the pure distillation of this was?

When Iron Fist showed up in Priest's Black Panther run for the second time and handed T'Challa his ass. Because Priest had too much integrity to pull a Loeb; he KNEW that if you put those two together, no matter how much you love T'Challa, it's Danny that's going to win and he's going to win HARD. So there was that epic fight between Danny and T'Challa, and that fight took up AN ENTIRE ISSUE, and T'Challa had nightmares about it afterwards because it was one of the single most severe beatdowns that T'Challa has ever had to endure, and he had to endure it from a friend that he deeply respects. OUCH.

Screw it. I'm posting that fight tomorrow. It's too awesome not to show.

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Re: Moar questions! thehefner June 5 2009, 03:57:59 UTC
The "Harvey and Two-Face make a comic" issue was DETECTIVE # 753. Definitely an oddball issue. I'm not entirely sure what it was trying to pull off, or how successful it was in doing so, but it's still... interesting, that's for sure!

I think you're really onto something with Priest being the anti-Loeb. Additionally to your point, Priest is NEVER one to employ the Hollywood-style hackery that Loeb is wont to pull, with cliche dialogue and one-note characterizations. If only Priest had the mainstream appeal (or had been given more of a chance for mainstream appeal) that Loeb unfortunately has.

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