But as great a producer as he may be, and as much as his ideas came from the heart and were earnestly done with good intentions toward the integrity of the series and out of a love for the characters, the man COULD NOT WRITE. He simply didn't have the ability to handle intricate plots and character developments the way that Moffat currently does.I strongly disagree, but that is a whole other essay
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wow apparently this needs a second part? lol tl;dr alert_thirty2flavorsMay 9 2011, 15:03:01 UTC
With River, I don't take issue with her awnting to be with the Doctor. She loves him, presumably, so that's fine. I don't understand why she doesn't travel with the Doctor, if that's what she wants, and I do have issue with the fact that presumably in his future/her past, he meets bbRiver and essentially manipulates her into falling in love with him, knowing that the end result will be her sacrifice for him in the Library. Having said that, I don't mind her sacrifice in the Library; it's not a "WELL I guess I'll just die now" thing, it's also that she's protecting him and preserving her happiest memories (the ones with him, which would never haev happened if she let him kill himself). Companions die for the Doctor all the time, so I can't hold it against River. However, I do think her "heaven" with random fake computer children and her archaeology students is seriously messed up
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Re: wow apparently this needs a second part? lol tl;dr alertk_puffMay 10 2011, 03:21:46 UTC
Ehhh sorry I'm so late in replying... it's finals week so I put a moratorium on LJ until I did my readings! -_-;;
" I don't think he's sexist in a "I hate women, literally" way, I think he is sexist in a "I bleed privilege and have no awareness of it" way. "
I completely agree with you, and I would add that ignorant sexism is not at all more excusable than purposeful sexism, but I see you've already made that point below, so we are totes on the same page about this. ^_^ That's why I try to make the distinction that Moffat doesn't just, like you say, sit around and think about how to write weak women. He just doesn't understand how feminism works.From that point, I'd like to further clarify that, I agree, part of feminism is giving women the right to choose a domestic, husband-and-child life if they want it. I'm not saying that he's anti-feminist because he had one or two women be motivated by the need for a husband and child -- it's the blanket assumption that is anti-feminist (or, rather, sexist). It's how every single woman he
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Re: wow apparently this needs a second part? lol tl;dr alert_thirty2flavorsMay 10 2011, 03:30:52 UTC
I think an important fact to consider when it comes to the Pond marriage is that when they get married in TBB, neither of them remember the events of s5. Amy isn't marrying Rory because she feels duty-bound due to him being the boy who waited -- she doesn't remember any of that. And when Amy wakes up in TBB and sees her wedding dress hanging on her closet door, she smiles. She quips "love you" to Rory on the phone, whereas before she had apparently never said that. I think we're supposed to believe that the Amy at the end of s5 is more well-adjusted, because she had her family, and has more faith in people/the universe, and that is an Amy Pond who will get married.
That sort of dovetails into my point. While she was travelling with the Doctor, her wish for romance and the domestic life was put on the backburner, more so than with any other consistently-appearing female on the show. Out of all the companions, she was the only one who I wouldn't count romance as being one of her primary topics of dialogue, plot, or character
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I mean, I don't think that excuses him. Being a straight white educated upper/middle-class dude is not a get-out-of-jail free card when it comes to all these issues, and statements like "all women are hunting for husbands" are sexist whether you mean them to be or not. It's still not cool to imply that you wouldn't have hired your lead actress if she wasn't so hot.
But I don't think he has a dartboard set up with pictures of suffragettes or anything, and I do think he honestly believes the characters he writes are strong characters. I don't think he sets out to write a script and thinks "hmmm how can I undermine feminism today?"
But as great a producer as he may be, and as much as his ideas came from the heart and were earnestly done with good intentions toward the integrity of the series and out of a love for the characters, the man COULD NOT WRITE. He simply didn't have the ability to handle intricate plots and character developments the way that Moffat currently does.I strongly disagree, but that is a whole other essay ( ... )
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With River, I don't take issue with her awnting to be with the Doctor. She loves him, presumably, so that's fine. I don't understand why she doesn't travel with the Doctor, if that's what she wants, and I do have issue with the fact that presumably in his future/her past, he meets bbRiver and essentially manipulates her into falling in love with him, knowing that the end result will be her sacrifice for him in the Library. Having said that, I don't mind her sacrifice in the Library; it's not a "WELL I guess I'll just die now" thing, it's also that she's protecting him and preserving her happiest memories (the ones with him, which would never haev happened if she let him kill himself). Companions die for the Doctor all the time, so I can't hold it against River. However, I do think her "heaven" with random fake computer children and her archaeology students is seriously messed up ( ... )
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" I don't think he's sexist in a "I hate women, literally" way, I think he is sexist in a "I bleed privilege and have no awareness of it" way. "
I completely agree with you, and I would add that ignorant sexism is not at all more excusable than purposeful sexism, but I see you've already made that point below, so we are totes on the same page about this. ^_^ That's why I try to make the distinction that Moffat doesn't just, like you say, sit around and think about how to write weak women. He just doesn't understand how feminism works.From that point, I'd like to further clarify that, I agree, part of feminism is giving women the right to choose a domestic, husband-and-child life if they want it. I'm not saying that he's anti-feminist because he had one or two women be motivated by the need for a husband and child -- it's the blanket assumption that is anti-feminist (or, rather, sexist). It's how every single woman he ( ... )
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That sort of dovetails into my point. While she was travelling with the Doctor, her wish for romance and the domestic life was put on the backburner, more so than with any other consistently-appearing female on the show. Out of all the companions, she was the only one who I wouldn't count romance as being one of her primary topics of dialogue, plot, or character ( ... )
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But I don't think he has a dartboard set up with pictures of suffragettes or anything, and I do think he honestly believes the characters he writes are strong characters. I don't think he sets out to write a script and thinks "hmmm how can I undermine feminism today?"
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