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justwantsafety

OOC: quick poll for my curiosity

May 08, 2010 09:52

Poll for everyone, having played DDS or not:

I know what I think about this line in DDS. I'm curious as to how many other people interpret it which way, though ( Read more... )

ooc, munning

Comments 8

scientize May 8 2010, 19:12:17 UTC

Harley was admitting defeat in an attempt to save his life. He was giving up his leader role, therefore, giving up both his base and army, since defeat = the victor gets everything, in DDS world.

justwantsafety May 8 2010, 19:22:39 UTC

That's just it, though. I don't think he was thinking that far. It looked to me like more just an "AAAAAGHGKFDSS HAVE IT HAVE IT I DON'T WANT TO DIE" thing to me, than anything that the consequences of even crossed his mind. I'm not sure he was even connecting that reaction to admitting defeat as a Tribe Leader, precisely.

Gibbering doesn't imply logical thinking, the way I see it. :|a

The question is a lot less, in my mind, one of "what were the logical consequences of the offer" and more one of his intent at the time.

sun_smiles May 8 2010, 19:40:25 UTC

LOL I misread your last comment. My bad. CARRY ON.

justwantsafety May 9 2010, 09:01:08 UTC

lmfao. *hugs*

Well -- even if they'd booted him out and demanded he leave even his body armor behind, there's always the option of starting over, right? Down with an extraordinary setback, but not entirely out yet? But you have to be alive to have that option. It won't matter how destitute you are, if you're dead.

Simply put, everything but your life is basically replaceable. :) He'd have probably paused if he got spared, and gone, okay, now what? What's his situation? Does he have anything left? Is he allowed to take anything (or anyone) with him?

Dire mortal peril first, other concerns after. ♥

I totally wish they'd have let you demand that he join you. I don't think he was in any mindset to refuse anything at that point anyway.

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justwantsafety May 9 2010, 08:45:41 UTC

Oh, totally. And yeah, that's pretty much what happened; you're not mis-remembering anything.

I'm pretty sure those might've been the only two scenarios that may have managed to register with him as possible too, really. I think, if he thought he had any chance at standing up to them to keep anything anyway, he wouldn't have just been stuck in a "scream and run" mindset. When all you can hope to escape with is your life... well. It doesn't help anything when that hope is slim, right?

I guess some of the part that I'm stuck on is the difference between deliberately thinking to do something that's to someone else's detriment (like deciding to leave his guys on the other side of those walls) and simply neglecting to think to do anything to their benefit (like order them all to pull back behind the wall with him, because it didn't even cross his mind to. Which is pretty fail in and of itself, IMHO.) It's like the difference between taking the last of the of pie just so no one else could have it, versus not leaving any pie because ( ... )

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justwantsafety May 9 2010, 09:15:03 UTC

No arguments here. It's also just as easily said that he thought the Embryon would've forcefully taken everything, army included, anyway... but he might be allowed to keep his life if he didn't actively repel their takeover. Plus, the sooner it's theirs officially, the sooner they might not see a reason to continue attacking.

Surrendering might actually be doing his men a favor.

stoicism May 8 2010, 23:35:29 UTC

I felt it implied his army was included. Aside from the rules of the Junkyard (taking over a territory = destroying a leader = assimilating their army into your own), you need to consider Harley's mental state: his emotions had just awoken. He was being faced with feelings of fear and panic, which is what caused him to attempt to bargain with the invading Tribe (the Embryon). He felt the need for survival and was willing to do absolutely anything to save his own skin, which included ditching is own forces ( ... )

justwantsafety May 9 2010, 07:38:39 UTC

Hm. Most all of what I got from it myself was, killing a Leader = taking over everything that was theirs (troops, territory, bases, etc) but I'm not entirely sure it had to be the other way around, since they never specified, exactly. Semantics, semantics. :|

Then again, the Wolves did get pasted by Varin -- Vishuddha fell to him alone and all that, but that doesn't mean Varin actually beat them, officially. He just took their land. I know the Wolves kept their white, but I'm reasonably certain the Temple would've given Serph the status of victor, since it was the Embryon that technically ended... that mess ( ... )