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Jul 31, 2006 08:11

intelligence can be measured as someones profeciency at a certain skill or set of skills relative to their exposure to these skills. for example, someone who is a grand master mason after one years is naturally smarter than someone who is a grand master mason after three years, all things being equal.

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abnormalfreak August 3 2006, 01:10:01 UTC
wow, i see how far astray our discussions go without my not-so-gentle condescension ( ... )

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justinkick August 3 2006, 01:52:22 UTC
good to hear from your ultra-high pedestol your eminence. and yes your right, we must make a bell run. i agree with the main thrust of your argument, as it was mine but restated in most places. however, can it not be said that i.q. tests are inherently flawed, and inherently geared towards the more easily testable areas of intelligence (math skills, spatial reasoning, and the others you mentioned). they fail to take into account skills that are demonstrated when someone learns something quicker than someone else. doesnt that ability make someone smarter than someone else? ive always been under the impression that i.q. tests were aptitude tests; they measure how much you are able to learn. hence higher iq, higher intelligence.

o and you spelt savant wrong. you spelt it 'sevant.' its savant, with two 'a's.

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flameofthewest1 August 3 2006, 02:57:36 UTC
when someone learns something quicker than someone else. doesnt that ability make someone smarter than someone else?

I think it would have to depend on your definition of the word smart, or intelligent, which is basically what we're arguing over here. How exactly does one define intelligence?

As Justin and I studied in Psychology, this particular question has been argued over for years, and if scholars and professors at some of the top Universities in the world haven't figured it out yet, I highly doubt we will. For example, Howard Gardner (someone we studied), a professor at Harvard's Graduate School of Education, said that intelligence comes in seven forms (his Theory of Multiple Intelligences).

According to Gardner (1999a), intelligence is much more than IQ because a high IQ in the absence of productivity does not equate to intelligence. In his definition, "Intelligence is a biopsychological potential to process information that can be activated in a cultural setting to solve problems or create products that are of value in ( ... )

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abnormalfreak August 3 2006, 22:11:35 UTC
again, there are different areas of intelligence, my point about the mason was that the faster mason wasn't more intelligent overall, but that he was more intelligent in the field of masonry. in the same was people can be very intelligent in the relm of mathematics, but not in the relm of english ( ... )

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thehopelesscaus August 4 2006, 03:18:01 UTC
is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

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abnormalfreak August 5 2006, 04:11:16 UTC
kind of, but it's great looking down on everyone else.

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