But the thing maybe I didn't make clear is that I'm not saying MS looks bad or isn't sexy or that being old or getting older are bad things. I personally like getting older, myself; I'm far happier than I was when I was younger.
No, what bothered me about the fact that MS is "old" wasn't that he as himself is therefore no longer sexy (I haven't really thought much about that, but to the extent I have, I agree with you - he's aged well), but that it threatens my view of Doyle as never aging, forever young and brash and sexy, because I had such a hard time, seeing him on the stage, not conflating the two.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. But I suppose even in that, I don't see Doyle as staying forever young. I see him growing old with Bodie. :-) "Older Lads" stories are kind of sweet, as long as they've been together all that time. Speaking of which, do you like the stories that cross a much older Bodie with, say, Cade? I don't care for them at all, not because of the age, but more because Cade isn't Doyle...or if he is, they've been apart for years and I hate that scenario. I think I was scarred for life when TPTB separated Kirk and Spock for three years, lol.
I don't think I'd have liked to meet them even when they were thirty-five ... I've never had a meeting-a-celebrity experience that didn't result in disillusionment, even in situations in which I was far less emotionally invested than I am with Doyle. MS is special to me because he did "fill out" Doyle (good way of describing it!), but I'd rather leave him mostly to my imagination....
I think I tend to disassociate them completely from the character, perhaps even from being a celebrity. At that age, meeting good-looking men was high on my list of things to do. *g* But I totally agree about the disillusionment. I shy away from even reading about them because of that. There's been too many times when you find out what a jerk the actor is just from written interviews.
Oh, I don't mind D growing old with Bodie, not at all ... it's not that the Doyle in my head never ages, it's that ageing for him is - well, it's a reversible process *g*. He's not a car on a cable; for us, there's nowhere to go other than ... forwards; "we can't return, we can only look behind from where we came" (I think that's Joni Mitchell, if I recall correctly). But Doyle can be old and gray in one story and then young and brash and sexy again in the next; that youth is never lost forever. He can always be exactly what I want him to be at any given moment, old, young, or even dead, but there are no rules, there's nothing linear about it ...
As for the Cade crossovers, I must admit to really liking the ones in which Cade is Doyle and they've bee apart for years (like Whatever Happened to Raymond Doyle?, which pushes all my buttons!). It's not what I want to read all the time, but sometimes it gives me a perfect angst fix (I wouldn't, on the other hand, want to read a story about the years apart; I want to read about them getting back together). But I don't like the stories in which Cade isn't Doyle - or any story, for that matter, in which Bodie is paired to someone who isn't Doyle....
I shy away from even reading about them because of that. There's been too many times when you find out what a jerk the actor is just from written interviews.
Yes yes yes! I'd just rather not know - the task of keeping the actor and the character entirely separate I find is much more difficult once I learn bad things about the actor; it's hard to be totally in love with a character when the character's "creator" was a jerk! *g*
And thanks for your comments ... I've enjoyed this discussion very much :-)
Oh, shut up. ;-) Yes, that is fairly young.
But the thing maybe I didn't make clear is that I'm not saying MS looks bad or isn't sexy or that being old or getting older are bad things. I personally like getting older, myself; I'm far happier than I was when I was younger.
No, what bothered me about the fact that MS is "old" wasn't that he as himself is therefore no longer sexy (I haven't really thought much about that, but to the extent I have, I agree with you - he's aged well), but that it threatens my view of Doyle as never aging, forever young and brash and sexy, because I had such a hard time, seeing him on the stage, not conflating the two.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. But I suppose even in that, I don't see Doyle as staying forever young. I see him growing old with Bodie. :-) "Older Lads" stories are kind of sweet, as long as they've been together all that time. Speaking of which, do you like the stories that cross a much older Bodie with, say, Cade? I don't care for them at all, not because of the age, but more because Cade isn't Doyle...or if he is, they've been apart for years and I hate that scenario. I think I was scarred for life when TPTB separated Kirk and Spock for three years, lol.
I don't think I'd have liked to meet them even when they were thirty-five ... I've never had a meeting-a-celebrity experience that didn't result in disillusionment, even in situations in which I was far less emotionally invested than I am with Doyle. MS is special to me because he did "fill out" Doyle (good way of describing it!), but I'd rather leave him mostly to my imagination....
I think I tend to disassociate them completely from the character, perhaps even from being a celebrity. At that age, meeting good-looking men was high on my list of things to do. *g* But I totally agree about the disillusionment. I shy away from even reading about them because of that. There's been too many times when you find out what a jerk the actor is just from written interviews.
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As for the Cade crossovers, I must admit to really liking the ones in which Cade is Doyle and they've bee apart for years (like Whatever Happened to Raymond Doyle?, which pushes all my buttons!). It's not what I want to read all the time, but sometimes it gives me a perfect angst fix (I wouldn't, on the other hand, want to read a story about the years apart; I want to read about them getting back together). But I don't like the stories in which Cade isn't Doyle - or any story, for that matter, in which Bodie is paired to someone who isn't Doyle....
I shy away from even reading about them because of that. There's been too many times when you find out what a jerk the actor is just from written interviews.
Yes yes yes! I'd just rather not know - the task of keeping the actor and the character entirely separate I find is much more difficult once I learn bad things about the actor; it's hard to be totally in love with a character when the character's "creator" was a jerk! *g*
And thanks for your comments ... I've enjoyed this discussion very much :-)
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