I agree with you in some aspects. The whole death of Ianto killed me. I am still crying. However I think it was important for Jack as a character, who will move on to be in Doctor Who(I'm pretty sure) and even if he doesn't, because he has to be defiled. He has been unmanned. Like Ianto says to Jack about the Scotland incident in 1965, "The Jack I know wouldn't have done that." I think that is what Ianto gave Jack, along with the rest of Torchwood team - a reason not to give in to the 'evil' or dark side of nature of the singular person. And with Jack stripped of that in such a horrific manner, I mean he couldn't look at Gwen, he gave into nature that he was used to from before he met the doctor. I think it was important, if that is where the writers wanted Jack as a character, to kill Ianto. In all honesty if they had killed Gwen I believe Jack would have still moved on (and not left) because Gwen doesn't forgive. She accuses (not that that is bad, just how she is) and Ianto forgives even if he doesn't understand (at least that is how I see Ianto). I feel robbed as well in a sense because of where Ianto's character could and should have gone. But I guess that is why death hurts so much - what the dead miss. Thanks for letting me ramble! Also, one last (I promise) thought - the writers of this show, I don't think, would ever be offended with a fan who has a legitimate issue and then backs it up actual fact. And beyond that you do it well and thoughtfully and not belligerently. sara p.s. Didn't Rihannon's line about Ianto's father just make you want him back more?!? I mean some people just got angrier at RTD for making Ianto look like a liar, but I don't think he did. He made him look like a person who will be sorely missed. I would loved to hear your thoughts about it.
Whoa...I really have lost touch with my LJ recently, I am very sorry. :S I have to say that now I have calmed down a bit I don't agree with half of this rant anymore. I mean...I was being a bit rash really and I think I went into that fifth episode almost determined not to like it because Ianto wasn't there. How childish of me lol. I've watched it since and have actually come to see alot of good things in the last episode which I missed first time around.
I agree with your thoughts on Jack, in retrospect the loss of Ianto must have really shaken him, and so a natural regression would be to that of the man he used to be. And I really like your view on Gwen...I hadn't thought of it like that, but yeah...it definitely would not have shaken him in the same way.
I think most of my anger in this rant wasn't so much about the last episode, but more about the loss of Ianto. Like you said he could and should have gone so far. But then again, I can see why they had to kill him in a way, because like you mentioned earlier, if he was still alive Jack might never have been able to make that choice in the same way.
No problem about the ramble, you actually knocked a bit of sense into me now I look back on it! But phew...I am relieved that this didn't appear too thoughtless. I really didn't want to just hurl insults around, only explain what I was feeling at the time. Although looking back on it now I probably should have waited a bit before ranting. :P
Siany
And omg yes! I didn't think it showed Ianto in a bad light, because yes he was lying, but only to try and show his father in a better light. Maybe to show him the esteem that Ianto himself felt for him personally. It was a nice, human touch. Everyone exaggerates after all, especially about those they have loved and lost. It gave Ianto a new dynamic, even after his death. But like you said, that just made me miss him more!!!
However I think it was important for Jack as a character, who will move on to be in Doctor Who(I'm pretty sure) and even if he doesn't, because he has to be defiled. He has been unmanned. Like Ianto says to Jack about the Scotland incident in 1965, "The Jack I know wouldn't have done that." I think that is what Ianto gave Jack, along with the rest of Torchwood team - a reason not to give in to the 'evil' or dark side of nature of the singular person. And with Jack stripped of that in such a horrific manner, I mean he couldn't look at Gwen, he gave into nature that he was used to from before he met the doctor.
I think it was important, if that is where the writers wanted Jack as a character, to kill Ianto. In all honesty if they had killed Gwen I believe Jack would have still moved on (and not left) because Gwen doesn't forgive. She accuses (not that that is bad, just how she is) and Ianto forgives even if he doesn't understand (at least that is how I see Ianto).
I feel robbed as well in a sense because of where Ianto's character could and should have gone. But I guess that is why death hurts so much - what the dead miss.
Thanks for letting me ramble! Also, one last (I promise) thought - the writers of this show, I don't think, would ever be offended with a fan who has a legitimate issue and then backs it up actual fact. And beyond that you do it well and thoughtfully and not belligerently.
sara
p.s. Didn't Rihannon's line about Ianto's father just make you want him back more?!? I mean some people just got angrier at RTD for making Ianto look like a liar, but I don't think he did. He made him look like a person who will be sorely missed. I would loved to hear your thoughts about it.
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I agree with your thoughts on Jack, in retrospect the loss of Ianto must have really shaken him, and so a natural regression would be to that of the man he used to be. And I really like your view on Gwen...I hadn't thought of it like that, but yeah...it definitely would not have shaken him in the same way.
I think most of my anger in this rant wasn't so much about the last episode, but more about the loss of Ianto. Like you said he could and should have gone so far. But then again, I can see why they had to kill him in a way, because like you mentioned earlier, if he was still alive Jack might never have been able to make that choice in the same way.
No problem about the ramble, you actually knocked a bit of sense into me now I look back on it! But phew...I am relieved that this didn't appear too thoughtless. I really didn't want to just hurl insults around, only explain what I was feeling at the time. Although looking back on it now I probably should have waited a bit before ranting. :P
Siany
And omg yes! I didn't think it showed Ianto in a bad light, because yes he was lying, but only to try and show his father in a better light. Maybe to show him the esteem that Ianto himself felt for him personally. It was a nice, human touch. Everyone exaggerates after all, especially about those they have loved and lost. It gave Ianto a new dynamic, even after his death. But like you said, that just made me miss him more!!!
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