so i think we're at war now...
sooo many crazy things have been going on. i have been meaning to write in this thing for quite some time now but keep getting busy. i had 3 midterms this week, working on my apartment, and still steady working at best buy. but here i am, finally getting around to it
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Maybe you don't understand the implications of President Bush's words and actions. When President Bush gave his 48 hour deadline to Iraq he did something that changed something that had not been changed in over 50 years. That was America's international stance. Bush said that he would eliminate any threat to the American people. Any FUTURE threat, which means that the good ol' USA has an "all clear" card for any war that they can produce an excuse for. We are attacking Iraq because of oil, here's why I think that: Iraq has oil. North Korea does not, in fact I think their biggest export is the world's best Dance Dance Revolution players. If the US was looking for democracy in the world. North Korea is the place to attack, but we decide to attack Iraq. To say that Iraq wasn't chosen because we need their resources is extremely foolish, afterall, we are going to design their government when all is said and done. Probably with some low tariffs for Bush's friends.
Now the comment where you said that Iraq has had 12 years to disarm. You are very correct, however, Iraq is not the only one responsible for their disarmament. The United Nations has a job to uphold international law. So when Iraq doesn't destroy their weapons, it is the UN's job to make them. They dropped the ball for 12 years. They did nothing, they have to take a part of the blame.
You say, "Even though our economy is in peril now, our economy was stronger than ever without Iraqi oil." I'm not an economist, but the thing about the American econony, it isn't simple. Our economic boom during the 90's was due to extreme confidence in internet and technology company. Much like the 1920's, prices went so high because everyone was buying, throw some supply and demand at it, you'll see it's true. Once the economy caught up and saw that the market was full of shit and that the price of these companies is no where near their stock price, the bubble burst and we're left with a shit economy, no oil needed to ruin or start up that one.
Now let's look at the post war... and how a post-war economy works, and I'm going to do this all theory off the top of my head. Bush offers tax cuts (less gov't money), Bush fights a war (expensive), Bush sends American money to Iraq for rebuilding (less money, and the UN sure as hell isn't going to help). Did your parents ever tell you they aren't made of money? B/c the President seems to think that the USA is. Economic slow downs follow war historically. So sending money afar during an economic slow down could easily take the feet of the US economy right out from under it.
Here's a quick army fun fact, in order for the army to protect the freedoms of the USA, they strip its members of all their rights.
So here is my challenge, prove that the United States does not have an ulterior motive to attack Iraq. Because all signs point to something is up.
-Jon
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Now to the whole war question, I think that so far the military has not been doing a bad job as far as tactics and casualties go. The time will be the true test on how this war is handled. And if Saddam has weapons, we would be stupid not to go over there and handle the situation. The possibility of Saddam selling these weopons to other terrorist organizations that may use them against the U.S. is not too far-fetched. I think that a lot of war protesters are just jumping on the bandwagon because all of the actors and actresses and other cool people are doing it. But it is still their right. Oh, and i know i cant spell. To get mad at the french for not being on the presidents nuts is insane also. What I think is that the time for the Anti-war thing is over because war is our reality right now. Its our job to stay on top of things and make sure things are handled the best way they can. We have family over there now whether this is a war they believe in or not. We have to stick by them. ~A
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As for the effectiveness of the French military, here is why the French lost so miserably, and it was ignorant on their part. During WWI they had arguably the best rifles in the war. But seeing how many died, they thought that their weapons were to blame, so they decided to go to an earlier model for WWII. That was a big mistake because it meant single shot rifles vs. machine guns and boom, they lose their part of the war.
The French military is not useless however, now you did say I did not know my history so I am going to go on the assumption that I am completely wrong in saying that if it wasn't for the French that the United States would not exist, they played a very important role in the Revolutionary War.
The UN's job is the make people comply, so yes, they did fuck up.
Did you seriously call me a long haired fag that opposed war? Way to take the high road.
Another thing about the French, they are one of the few countries that posses nuclear technology. But a bomb that can kill more than 71,000 people (number who died in Hiroshima) is I guess what makes them so pathetic.
And you want to stop WWII by stopping Hitler in one little spot? WWI drew up boundaries for all kinds of countries without regard to ethnicity, which is the reason for much of the hostility in Africa and the Middle East. So you think Hitler was the problem? No, it was the arrogance of the British, French, and the USA. If they had given ethnic Kurds an independent nation-state then we wouldn't have this problem.
-Jon
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the french had a very very VERY SMALL part of help in the revolutionary war...
they didnt help out the colonists until the last minute.
get your facts straight before you open you liberal assed fucking mouth.
its people who think they know everything that know nothing at all.
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the french came in the last minutes to help blockade the british troops under control of general lord cornwallis. however, without the colonists and their directed efforts to gain supeior independence from britain, then cornwallis would have never been captured in yorktown, virginia.
as for insulting you, im sorry but you have highly pissed me off. i really feel as though you are full of malarchy and honestly i dont like what you say. so im saying what i gotta say.
and for the first person who posted and that person's rebutle to what you have had to say jon, that person is correct in a lot that he or she says. i think that yes, you may have facts but i can pull out a fact or two out of my ass and tell you its true and argue it until the day i die. thats life. as i said before, i really think you need to take a step back jon, pull your huge arrogant head out of your ass and go read or something. you get on my nerves with the things that you say.
jon do you know about an organization called CINCOM? just out of curiousity. because all i have to say to you jon is this--you may think that you know all the facts on earth as you have tried to prove here in the things that you say, but jon, sometimes the government, news media, people around you, arent going to tell you everything. understand? thanks.
i suggest taking your head out of your ass right about now jon.
-wilda
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I read quite a bit, I read news articles from the New York Times, Israel, and the UK daily. It's part of my daily routine actually.
I don't feel like you've said everything that needs to be said, I think that part of healthy debate is back and forth of ideas to develop a more absolute truth. You want to know my real feeling on the war? Since it isn't anti-war.
I think that I don't have the whole story and all the information. Given all the information I don't think that I would still
I'm not saying that I'm right, I'm just presenting an argument, and the way to refute that argument is not by saying that I'm an asshole with my head up my ass who thinks he knows everything. I know I'm not, I made valid points though.
-Jon
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secondly jon, since you like to say that i do not have valid points and i cant argue, you know what jon, i dont like to argue with people who still even after i have told them that they try to be the smartest person in the world, YOU STILL clarify yourself as being a quite bit more intelligent. my point about you being arrogant in reference to intelligence has been clarified very well. you are still trying to say you are a lot smarter than i. you dont know me, nor will you ever, and if i ever did actually get to meet you, "id say it to your face."
thirdly jon, a debate is two opposing viewpoints trying to get their point across. i do not believe that a debate is "back and forth of ideas to develop a more absolute truth." fuck that. a debate is when you are trying to tell me im wrong, like you have proven to do in much of what you say, and i am trying to tell you that i am a lot more correct than you. i know a lot about debating since my entire family has been involved with the law. so don't even go there jon, maybe you dont understand.
lastly jon, on a daily basis i watch the news, i read the newspaper, i read textbooks and i do research on a daily basis in order to find out new stuff that i can become a tad bit smarter. intelligence is not always measured in the books that you have read, but the experiences that you have led. ive had experience in the military, i know whats up. ive had experience with the law, i know whats up. ive had experience with politics, i know whats up.
so next time you want to say something and insult me like i cant tell that you are insulting me, just say it out loud. im very much so an adult, i can handle your insults.
thanks jon for making me realize that there are a lot more assholes in the world than were a few days ago.
yours truly,
wilda
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not that jon in any way would need my help in his defense, but you definitely don't know him and are worse off for it because he is an amazing person. i have one question for you (having nothing to do with the fact that jon is my friend), if you are "very much so" an adult, then how can you possibly have handled this the way you did? i'm sorry, but i don't find it mature in an argument such as this to use harsh words that directly insult the other person. you're such an adult that you can ask someone, in what started out as a simple debate, to pull his head out of his ass?! or use "fuck that" as a comeback. come on now, that's REAL diplomatic and has so much to do with the topic of conversation.
in addition to that, you tell him to pull his head out of his ass and go read something which later you totally contradict by telling him that he can't understand anything based on what he reads... he needs "experience." and i'm not even going to go into your idea of experience with these matters because you seem to know "what's up."
don't bother getting upset with me; i just think you need to watch what you say and how you act. it'll be helpful to both you and anyone in your life. next time you encounter something like this-- in real life, online, whatever-- go about the situation more maturely and don't get so testy! LIFE IS GOOD! :) people have different views and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and have the right to express it. understand that you can never (and should never want to) change someone's opinions. respect what other people think and be courteous to the fact that everyone has led a different life that provides his/her viewpoints on everything. with that all off my chest, God bless and i hope you are all still praying for the men and women (American or not) over in Iraq at this very moment because all we're doing for them is arguing on people's livejournals.
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i think it is very authorative of you to say "id like the final word" and thank you for you 19 year old comments to what i have to say. please, if youd like the final word it is probably best if you keep it to yourself because i do not need nor do i want to hear a 19 year old tell me what is right and what is wrong. ive got a mom and she as hell can tell me what to do, NOT YOU. i can do what i damn please and if it is telling someone off then by GOD i am going to tell someone off. have you ever been in the military? i didnt think so. im sure that you think jon is a good person but by his comments and his arguments, im gonna beg to differ.
let me quote you since you like to quote me. "people have different views and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and have the right to express it. understand that you can never (and should never want to) change someone's opinions. respect what other people think and be courteous to the fact that everyone has led a different life that provides his/her viewpoints on everything."
honey, next time, if youre gonna tell me i contradict myself, think about what your writing down and telling me. im just voicing my opinion. i have a different view from yourself from your friend jon. and again, i dont need you and your teenage self to tell me how to live. been there done that sweetie.
thanks,
wilda
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I'm glad you have loved ones in the war. But my question to you is, why aren't you there? If you are so pro-war go over there and fight, help our country. Then you can be the perfect visage of selflessness like you think everyone else should be. Then you don't have to worry about your loved ones, because you can be there to help them. You could wear a patch of the American flag, you could pledge your allegence before God (if that's your thing), you could change the war in favor of the United States, you could get a USMC tattoo with a bulldog on it, and wear your pride for the rest of your life. You could say that you didn't just talk in support of the war, you did something about it. It would be very refreshing for the American people, you could be a national news story. A very low number of our countries leaders has (I think 3 congressmen) have children in the military. So it'd be nice to see some people preaching war putting their sermon into practice.
While you do that, I can do my thing, I can go to school and study marketing and history like was my plan before the war, and is going to continue being my focus during the war. Because the war doesn't concern me, and will more than likely have very little effect on my life, unless I graduate and can't find a job, but that's just as well, it means I can go back to school and keep studying, I'd rather do that anyway.
Now I can only imagine what kind of profanity this is going to get... so tell you what. Here's my AIM name: ChancesAre910
That way you can curse at me and not make other people deal with it.
-Jon
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thanks for everything once again! youre the best sweetie. why am i not overseas? because im in college jon. but jon, i am in the rotc program and will be going overseas. im in the reserves jon. my cars do have american flag stuff all over them, i do fly my american flag since the day i moved into my house, i will being swearing an oath of office when i am commissioned as a 2LT in the army one day, im not a marine so im not getting a tattoo of that put upon me, but i do wear my pride everyday via my heart for my country. please, dont tell me im not doing anything in support of my country and for my troops overseas, because i am. im going to be an army nurse jon and if that isnt going to help people jon then i do not know what is.
am i going to talk to you on aim. no because i care not to speak to you. thats why i am not going to jon. but thanks for the offer. and...was i trying to bring other people into this in the first place. no jon. this was between you and i. but jon, thanks for the argument it was fun.
:)
wilda
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