there are alot of typos but i thought thsi was interesting
TrenchantGlaive (11:19:28 PM): this cant b true
Astichtowear (11:19:40 PM): no it is, keep reading
Astichtowear (11:19:49 PM): i also found a bunch more stuff about it on the web
Astichtowear (11:19:56 PM): this is from antons blog though
TrenchantGlaive (11:21:30 PM): but he just says it limits free speech but he doesn't cite where it says that
TrenchantGlaive (11:21:44 PM): i think the "civil army" idea isnt that bad
Astichtowear (11:21:54 PM): keep reading
TrenchantGlaive (11:22:05 PM): oh shit now they r talking armed services?
Astichtowear (11:22:36 PM): basically what he is trying to say is that it will eventualy lead to forced civil service by nearly all young americans
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:03 PM): which i dont think is a bad idea
Astichtowear (11:23:10 PM): you're nuts
Astichtowear (11:23:17 PM): it should be a choice
Astichtowear (11:23:21 PM): regardless
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:37 PM): its saying the those who are trained in fire and police etc might be employed in armed services
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:56 PM): i dont know at my highschool we were required to to community service
Astichtowear (11:23:57 PM): mandatorily
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:01 PM): i think its a good idea
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:08 PM): young people need to get more involved
Astichtowear (11:24:25 PM): but there is also a government organized civillian army in the works
Astichtowear (11:24:35 PM): yes but at their own accord
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:39 PM): im just getting to that hold on
Astichtowear (11:24:50 PM): thats why it is called voulenteer work
TrenchantGlaive (11:25:19 PM): ok but what about the kids whose parents dont encourage or open any doors to their kids in the way of volunteer work
TrenchantGlaive (11:25:32 PM): they have no idea of what experiences could be offered to them
Astichtowear (11:25:37 PM): then it is their choice not to do so
Astichtowear (11:26:00 PM): thats taking away a civil liberty
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:04 PM): i think that as long as your not forcing someone to be trained and ordered to kill its fine
Astichtowear (11:26:14 PM): regardless of if it is good in some ways or not
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:17 PM): not if its in primary school aged kids
Astichtowear (11:26:22 PM): its a forced march so to speak
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:37 PM): what your saying is that it should be illegal for the government to make kids go to school too
Astichtowear (11:28:08 PM): well no, but at the age of sixteen....you have the choise not to.....but its not only targeting kids in school is what he is saying, the instatement of such an act, will eventually lead to more and more forced charity basically.....for people of any age
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:34 PM): ok and look at the most peaceful country in the world
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:38 PM): switzerland
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:51 PM): every citizen is required to serve
Astichtowear (11:28:58 PM): that is what the government does, they start with something that seems like it would be a good idea to get their foot in the door to achive what they really want to do
Astichtowear (11:29:16 PM): this isnt switzerland,we have civil liberties here
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:20 PM): god damn im so sick of everyones paranoia
Astichtowear (11:29:26 PM): this is an infringement
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:29 PM): so do the swiss
Astichtowear (11:29:43 PM): well, this is an infringement of our
Astichtowear (11:29:44 PM): s
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:50 PM): well if you really believe that it will not pass
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:55 PM): write your senetors
TrenchantGlaive (11:30:00 PM): and your representatives
TrenchantGlaive (11:30:05 PM): its not taking away any rights
TrenchantGlaive (11:31:35 PM): its just requiring citizens to take part. asking us to be a little less lazy and uninvolved in our futures and our society
Astichtowear (11:32:29 PM): its still forced....meaning if you dont do this,you face imprisonment, eventually, im sure that wont be hard enforced at first, but lets put people in jail for not wanting to do something
TrenchantGlaive (11:32:56 PM): u can be sent to jail for not paying taxes too
Astichtowear (11:32:56 PM): i dont think you understand,that yes, it is taking away the right, the right to choose, not to do something you dont want to do
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:03 PM): so what should taxes be illegal too?
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:20 PM): thats basically what every law does then
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:47 PM): seatbelt laws speed restrictions education requirements
Astichtowear (11:33:54 PM): oh geez, taxes are not physically forcing you to partek in an act
Astichtowear (11:34:02 PM): partake*
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:28 PM): i dont understand why u think this is so bad but not the education requirements
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:40 PM): its the same damn thing
Astichtowear (11:34:47 PM): seatbelt laws are for safttey, life and death is involved, will you die if you dont do voulenteer work, no! you will if you crash with no seatbelt
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:53 PM): and taxes are physically forcing u to pay
Astichtowear (11:34:54 PM): it is not the same thing in any way
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:08 PM): if u dont u go to jail. thats physically forcing u to pay
Astichtowear (11:35:08 PM): you dont physically pay taxes haha
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:23 PM): you do you work
Astichtowear (11:35:29 PM): its not a physical act is what i was saying
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:37 PM): but it is damn it
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:51 PM): this isnt asking u to give up your life
Astichtowear (11:36:02 PM): no it is not, it is money, not your being, if i didnt work, i wouldnt pay taxes, which woulod be a chice
TrenchantGlaive (11:36:05 PM): not anymore than school asked u to give up your life
Astichtowear (11:36:26 PM): just as it would be my choise not to serve soup to homeless people who are choosing not to pay taxes haha
Astichtowear (11:36:41 PM): choice*
TrenchantGlaive (11:37:04 PM): for all of the freedoms we are given by this government why is asking for physical return such a burden?
TrenchantGlaive (11:37:32 PM): your government is collapsing and they r trying new things which haven't been done to try and save it
Astichtowear (11:37:39 PM): haha freedoms?
Astichtowear (11:37:49 PM): i dont think you realise how few freedoms you have
Astichtowear (11:38:15 PM): did you know that i am on a potential terrorist list in the state of michigan
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:17 PM): well when u look around the work at all you would know what we have
Astichtowear (11:38:19 PM): is that freedom?
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:39 PM): ok but how is that effecting you now?
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:41 PM): its not
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:50 PM): is it?
Astichtowear (11:39:13 PM): not at this very moment, but how do you, or i know that my e mails web activity, phone calls screened
Astichtowear (11:39:15 PM): you dont
Astichtowear (11:39:45 PM): and if you say theyre not thats bs, because you dont know, i am not saying they are, but the patriot act was passed
Astichtowear (11:40:02 PM): giving the government the right to do so to "potential terrorists"
TrenchantGlaive (11:40:03 PM): so what do you think the government should do while faced with more hatred than ever before?
TrenchantGlaive (11:40:29 PM): ok we r not talking about the patriot act
TrenchantGlaive (11:41:00 PM): it doesn't matter what we think though this will NEVER pass
Astichtowear (11:19:40 PM): no it is, keep reading
Astichtowear (11:19:49 PM): i also found a bunch more stuff about it on the web
Astichtowear (11:19:56 PM): this is from antons blog though
TrenchantGlaive (11:21:30 PM): but he just says it limits free speech but he doesn't cite where it says that
TrenchantGlaive (11:21:44 PM): i think the "civil army" idea isnt that bad
Astichtowear (11:21:54 PM): keep reading
TrenchantGlaive (11:22:05 PM): oh shit now they r talking armed services?
Astichtowear (11:22:36 PM): basically what he is trying to say is that it will eventualy lead to forced civil service by nearly all young americans
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:03 PM): which i dont think is a bad idea
Astichtowear (11:23:10 PM): you're nuts
Astichtowear (11:23:17 PM): it should be a choice
Astichtowear (11:23:21 PM): regardless
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:37 PM): its saying the those who are trained in fire and police etc might be employed in armed services
TrenchantGlaive (11:23:56 PM): i dont know at my highschool we were required to to community service
Astichtowear (11:23:57 PM): mandatorily
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:01 PM): i think its a good idea
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:08 PM): young people need to get more involved
Astichtowear (11:24:25 PM): but there is also a government organized civillian army in the works
Astichtowear (11:24:35 PM): yes but at their own accord
TrenchantGlaive (11:24:39 PM): im just getting to that hold on
Astichtowear (11:24:50 PM): thats why it is called voulenteer work
TrenchantGlaive (11:25:19 PM): ok but what about the kids whose parents dont encourage or open any doors to their kids in the way of volunteer work
TrenchantGlaive (11:25:32 PM): they have no idea of what experiences could be offered to them
Astichtowear (11:25:37 PM): then it is their choice not to do so
Astichtowear (11:26:00 PM): thats taking away a civil liberty
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:04 PM): i think that as long as your not forcing someone to be trained and ordered to kill its fine
Astichtowear (11:26:14 PM): regardless of if it is good in some ways or not
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:17 PM): not if its in primary school aged kids
Astichtowear (11:26:22 PM): its a forced march so to speak
TrenchantGlaive (11:26:37 PM): what your saying is that it should be illegal for the government to make kids go to school too
Astichtowear (11:28:08 PM): well no, but at the age of sixteen....you have the choise not to.....but its not only targeting kids in school is what he is saying, the instatement of such an act, will eventually lead to more and more forced charity basically.....for people of any age
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:34 PM): ok and look at the most peaceful country in the world
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:38 PM): switzerland
TrenchantGlaive (11:28:51 PM): every citizen is required to serve
Astichtowear (11:28:58 PM): that is what the government does, they start with something that seems like it would be a good idea to get their foot in the door to achive what they really want to do
Astichtowear (11:29:16 PM): this isnt switzerland,we have civil liberties here
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:20 PM): god damn im so sick of everyones paranoia
Astichtowear (11:29:26 PM): this is an infringement
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:29 PM): so do the swiss
Astichtowear (11:29:43 PM): well, this is an infringement of our
Astichtowear (11:29:44 PM): s
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:50 PM): well if you really believe that it will not pass
TrenchantGlaive (11:29:55 PM): write your senetors
TrenchantGlaive (11:30:00 PM): and your representatives
TrenchantGlaive (11:30:05 PM): its not taking away any rights
TrenchantGlaive (11:31:35 PM): its just requiring citizens to take part. asking us to be a little less lazy and uninvolved in our futures and our society
Astichtowear (11:32:29 PM): its still forced....meaning if you dont do this,you face imprisonment, eventually, im sure that wont be hard enforced at first, but lets put people in jail for not wanting to do something
TrenchantGlaive (11:32:56 PM): u can be sent to jail for not paying taxes too
Astichtowear (11:32:56 PM): i dont think you understand,that yes, it is taking away the right, the right to choose, not to do something you dont want to do
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:03 PM): so what should taxes be illegal too?
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:20 PM): thats basically what every law does then
TrenchantGlaive (11:33:47 PM): seatbelt laws speed restrictions education requirements
Astichtowear (11:33:54 PM): oh geez, taxes are not physically forcing you to partek in an act
Astichtowear (11:34:02 PM): partake*
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:28 PM): i dont understand why u think this is so bad but not the education requirements
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:40 PM): its the same damn thing
Astichtowear (11:34:47 PM): seatbelt laws are for safttey, life and death is involved, will you die if you dont do voulenteer work, no! you will if you crash with no seatbelt
TrenchantGlaive (11:34:53 PM): and taxes are physically forcing u to pay
Astichtowear (11:34:54 PM): it is not the same thing in any way
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:08 PM): if u dont u go to jail. thats physically forcing u to pay
Astichtowear (11:35:08 PM): you dont physically pay taxes haha
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:23 PM): you do you work
Astichtowear (11:35:29 PM): its not a physical act is what i was saying
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:37 PM): but it is damn it
TrenchantGlaive (11:35:51 PM): this isnt asking u to give up your life
Astichtowear (11:36:02 PM): no it is not, it is money, not your being, if i didnt work, i wouldnt pay taxes, which woulod be a chice
TrenchantGlaive (11:36:05 PM): not anymore than school asked u to give up your life
Astichtowear (11:36:26 PM): just as it would be my choise not to serve soup to homeless people who are choosing not to pay taxes haha
Astichtowear (11:36:41 PM): choice*
TrenchantGlaive (11:37:04 PM): for all of the freedoms we are given by this government why is asking for physical return such a burden?
TrenchantGlaive (11:37:32 PM): your government is collapsing and they r trying new things which haven't been done to try and save it
Astichtowear (11:37:39 PM): haha freedoms?
Astichtowear (11:37:49 PM): i dont think you realise how few freedoms you have
Astichtowear (11:38:15 PM): did you know that i am on a potential terrorist list in the state of michigan
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:17 PM): well when u look around the work at all you would know what we have
Astichtowear (11:38:19 PM): is that freedom?
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:39 PM): ok but how is that effecting you now?
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:41 PM): its not
TrenchantGlaive (11:38:50 PM): is it?
Astichtowear (11:39:13 PM): not at this very moment, but how do you, or i know that my e mails web activity, phone calls screened
Astichtowear (11:39:15 PM): you dont
Astichtowear (11:39:45 PM): and if you say theyre not thats bs, because you dont know, i am not saying they are, but the patriot act was passed
Astichtowear (11:40:02 PM): giving the government the right to do so to "potential terrorists"
TrenchantGlaive (11:40:03 PM): so what do you think the government should do while faced with more hatred than ever before?
TrenchantGlaive (11:40:29 PM): ok we r not talking about the patriot act
TrenchantGlaive (11:41:00 PM): it doesn't matter what we think though this will NEVER pass