Why Obama's Association with Bill Ayers should disqualify him from the Presidency

Oct 07, 2008 14:41

I've heard several people claim that it is unfair for John McCain and Sarah Palin to attack Barack Obama over his association with Bill Ayers. They say alternately that the association was not a close one, or that Bill Ayers is a perfectly respectable figure in Chicago politics who many people associated with ( Read more... )

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banner October 8 2008, 03:15:02 UTC
The Washington Post is in the tank for Obama. Obama's connection goes further than the board they sat on, that Ayers personally hired Obama for. There are a lot of places writing about it currently. Also Ayers visited Chavez recently and congratulated him on his taking over Venezuela. He's a big Castro fan too.

http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=768aa784-72f3-4b43-acb6-c5fe81d901cd

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/10/021714.php

There is more of course. Then there is Obama's next door neighbor, the one who helped him buy his house and who is going to JAIL soon. Another good friend of his.

Then his Racist pastor who he supported for 20 years.

It just keeps on getting worse. If he wasn't black, people would be talking about this more. But they're afraid too, because they don't want to be labeled RACIST for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.

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webgodd_s October 8 2008, 12:07:39 UTC
Your first link is hugely bias and highly suspect on the account that it's derived from the GOP. They've honed their fear mongering to a razor sharp point under Dubba's (so-called) leadership.

The Washington Post may have leanings towards the Democrats, but their information still must be fact checked before being published else they lose their news credibility.

Powerline Blog seems like a normal blog among millions like this one. Nothing credible there, at least to me.

My research linked to credible news sources, and thus I choose to believe those less inclined towards personal opinion and fear mongering.

As far as who Obama is or is not friends with (and McCain, too) is not important to me. I have friends with points of view I strongly disagree with. They do not define who I am or what I believe in.

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cutelildrow October 8 2008, 16:04:22 UTC
ok, and news sources are incapable of putting spin?

Let's take this article for example.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20081007/tuk-man-shot-for-wearing-obama-t-shirt-dba1618.html

I read and re-read the article. Again and again and again. And other than 'racist abuse' being hurled at the victim of the shooting, I could not see how the racist abuse related to the shirt being worn - or the wearer's support of Obama, or Obama himself. The name of the victim suggests not being of Anglo-saxon origin - It sounds either Indian, Middle Eastern, or African. No note of the man's race or nationality was made, despite the repeated racist abuse - unusual because you normally hear it so you are allowed to put it into context. Similarly, his attacker was not even superficially described - beyond being of 6 ft height and having short hair. Is this to imply that Africans don't have short hair either and those of African descent are unable to grow to the height of six feet? (Shaquile O'Neil, you are AN ILLUSION!)

A casual reader would get "Obama shirt wearer shot", while a more astute reader would wonder 'how did that shirt tie in to the attack?' No mention of American political influence was there beyond the shirt, but the way that the article is written very clearly obliterates ALL other factors in the event. That this could not possibly be a racist attack in of itself, but INVOLVES OBAMA SUPPORTERS. If so, why was there no mention of the victims' support of Obama in his words in clear, undeniable terms, or even being the reason of his being attacked in his words again?

Another news article may be clearer but that's not the point I'm making - THIS one is a news article, not a blog post. But it is not clear what is going on, and an obvious agenda is being pushed.

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banner October 9 2008, 01:12:38 UTC
The Washington Post has little credibility.

Powerline is actually very credible, their three authors are often quoted by the news media and appear on TV fairly often. They're also lawyers, rather well known ones, so their take on legal issues is interesting.

But hey, even CNN is pointing out now that Obama has lied about his relationship with Ayers.

And it's one thing to have friends you disagree with, it's another to have friends who blew things up, hurt people, tried to MURDER people, and to this day maintain they did nothing wrong. Obama knows what Ayers did, but still he choose to be friends with him. You can't be friends with the devil and claim it doesn't matter.

And saying that it doesn't matter who people are friends with, that it doesn't matter the kind of people they surround themselves with, is ridiculous.

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the_mcp October 9 2008, 05:47:12 UTC
Obama knows what Ayers did, but still he choose to be friends with him.

That's actually a perfect rebuttal to this "Obama was only eight years old when Ayers was doing that stuff" blather. Frankly, the fact that Ayers committed his acts of domestic terrorism when Obama was young, before Obama ever met or became associated with him, and that Ayers acts of terrorism and his lack of remorse for same were (or should have been!) known to Obama, makes Obama's choice to associate with Ayers even more damning than if they had been contemporaries who met and became friends before Ayers committed those acts.

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Obama the Moral Sheep jordan179 October 9 2008, 15:55:26 UTC
And it's one thing to have friends you disagree with, it's another to have friends who blew things up, hurt people, tried to MURDER people, and to this day maintain they did nothing wrong. Obama knows what Ayers did, but still he choose to be friends with him. You can't be friends with the devil and claim it doesn't matter.

Indeed. Bill Ayers didn't merely advocate something evil (American defeat), he actively and illegally worked for it by leading an organization that set off dozens of bombs, caused serious damage, burned down at least one family home, and tried to murder people. The fact that he was never brought to trial, owing to a technicality, is irrelevant -- he outright admitted his guilt once he could no longer be legally punished for it.

His acceptance as a respectable person by the Chicago political and social elite does not magically make him respectable -- what it does is to make the Chicago political and social elite not respectable. Obama, who claims to hew to an independent moral vision, could have shown the clarity of his independent moral vision by refusing to associate with Ayers on principle -- instead, he followed the herd and accepted him as ok simply because others did so.

Now, it's coming back to haunt Obama -- as it should.

Do we want a sheep as President of the United States of America?

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