The Other Shoe Dropping - Pope Francis Says About Paris Attacks "Freedom of Speech Has Limits"

[jordan179]

Introduction

Recently -- barely noticed amidst the other reactions to the Al Quaeda Arabian Peninsula attack on Paris that killed 17 people and resulted in the destructioln of 3 physically-humanoid animals carrying out the attacks in Paris -- Pope Francis made a very interesting comment, reported here on BBC News:

The pontiff said religions had

Comments

[eta_ta]

A few yrs ago when I frequented blog Neoneocon there was a guy there, a Roman Catholic, who said he gets muslims more and more and wouldn't mind installation of sharia laws. Because: those shameless women with their revealing clothes! those disrespectful youths! those godless atheists and their abortionists! and Christians are too beaten by the state atheism to instill a proper order, but muslims are fearless and government is afraid to punish them.

And about 50 ppl in comments yelled: yeah! islam is a lesser danger than atheism!

That was instructive for my understanding where my political alliances lie... No way I will ever support Christian conservatives for more than a tactical reason.

[jordan179]

What's happening is that Western States are announcing that the liberal truce (all may speak and worship as they please) is now unenforceable because violent Muslims will object to the necessary actions for its enforcement. And the Christian sects are starting to give up on the States coming back to their senses, and are instead trying to make sure that their own sects get protected under the new, non-impartial blasphemy laws

[benschachar_77]

"Modern Christian conservatism has been throroughly enlightened by the spirit of Western classical liberalism, back in the 18th and 19th centuries."

You have a bad habit of getting it reversed.

Christianity informed classical liberalism through ethical monotheism. classical liberalism is the off shoot of enlightened Christian culture not the other way around.

[jordan179]

Call it mutual, given that most of the classical-liberals were some flavor of Christians. The point is that the Muslims did not participate in this process, save in the sense of having many of their number "enlightened" by superior Christian gunnery, notably in the Barbary and Algerian Wars.

[benschachar_77]

Wow! So basically, even though the Caananites practiced things like human sacrifice you prefer them because they're supposedly tolerant?

That strikes me as bizarre and irrational in its own right.

[eta_ta]

Whether it is the process or not, the bottom line does not look good for the atheists, especially those who are not statists.

[jordan179]

The atheists should support classical-liberals, because only under classical liberalism is atheism tolerated. (Under Communism, the atheists are compelled to worship the Leader).

[eta_ta]

that would be an excellent solution, had we a separate Classical Liberal party.

[benschachar_77]

Atheism is partially responsible.

From atheism we get marxism.

From marxism we get tens of millions of people dead and the meme poison known as political correctnes.

From political correctness we suffer the multicultural b.s.that destroys our will to fight Islamist expansion.

It is difficult for some to not suspect an inherent factor of atheism is responsible.

[eta_ta]

it is difficult for an atheist to take serious the kind of boring outdated unsubstantial, moldy like a church basement ...er...argument illustrated in a previous comment.

so forgive me for not getting engaged. I have better things to entertain me.

[benschachar_77]

Whatever. Ignore the shit that atheists are responsible for.

[eta_ta]

Atheism is responsible for science, industrial revolution and classical liberalism.
Religions are responsible for bloody massacres in the whole history of civilizations. For poisoning lives with prohibitions, stupidity, collectivism and enormous codex of self-blame. Religion IS the opium for the mind.
Marx was right at least once.

I will never ignore the shit that religions done to the world.

Now buzz off.

[benschachar_77]

"Atheism is responsible for science, industrial revolution and classical liberalism

[eta_ta]

What in the "Buzz off" you don't understand?

[mosinging1986]

" I have better things to entertain me."

Answering my previous comment would've been a good use of your time.

[jordan179]

You are arguing:

"All Marxists are Atheists" (only true in theory)

and attempting to derive from this

"All Atheists are Marxists"(definitely not true, even in theory).

The second statement does not logically derive from the first one.

There is, however, a causal connection. But it's not a happy one if you want to regard Religion as Eternal Truth.

Religion satisfies the human demand for a Big Daddy who dominates all, and has the signal virtue that the Big Daddy is imaginary and hence subject to social control. Absent the imaginary Big Daddy, human desires are absent to fixate on an all-too-real Leader, who once he becomes Big Daddy as well, may rule in a totalitarian fashion.

You also, incidentally, conflate "Religion" with "Christianity." Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, or for that matter Scientology are all equally "religions." Are you arguing that we should award special legal status to Hindus, and establish their religion over us?