Iran Attempts Bombing Raid on America Which Would Have Killed Dozens in Washington DC

[jordan179]

Yesterday we learned that Iranian agents plotted to bomb a crowded Washington, DC restaurant at lunchtime, in an incredibly-bloodthirsty plot to murder the Saudi ambassador to the United States of America. This attempt, if backed or even sheltered by the Iranian government, is of course an act of war against both America and Saudi Arabia, and (

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[oronoda]

You are writing that on the assumption that they're organized. Iran will collapse within itself soon enough. Iranians save the Iranians and the Arabs will save the Arabs. It is that simple.

And Saudi Arabia does not unilaterally control the Middle East. They aren't like Sauron in his tower looking out across the ME/NA, causing havoc. They are relatively focused on themselves and the most you can say is they have sway over is the Muslim world because they do have Mecca and Medina. For instance, Jordan, Israel, and Lebanon get their oil from Egypt, not Saudi.

And even so, Saudi Arabia is moving pretty slowly towards reform. While they do some completely horrible things and restrict human rights within their borders, the generation of Princes and Princesses that are coming into power are actually more progressive than the previous generation of royals. Saudi is not this unilateral evil that you try to make it out to be. It is no paradise with cupcakes and lollipops and I absolutely despise their government as a woman but they are not a lost cause and they aren't meddlers like Iran has been proven time and time again to be so. They are also not motivated by some religious prophecy like Iran is.

[ext_531464]

The Saudi nobility might waste centuries pondering reform, but everyone else, I fear, can not. The only thing that will help the people of Saudi Arabia is revolution.

And Saudi Arabia not meddling in others' affairs? 170,000,000 Pakistanis disagree with you.

[oronoda]

Hmm... that is what the Egyptians said. And now there were religious clashes over the weekend and still a threat of violence to break out. The same would happen in Saudi except it would be worse. There are many movements within Saudi Arabia that the country has actually taken under consideration and have learned from their neighbors how to deal with it. A violent revolution does not solve problems. Rather it just creates new ones. You dispose of the King and everyone plays King of the Hill as war breaks out for the rulers.

So you speak for all Pakistanis? That is impressive!

Also, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia share friendly relations. I have no idea where you're getting this idea that Saudi is somehow destabilizing Pakistan. Actually, it is more likely the Taliban and the other extremist elements causing the biggest worry in Pakistan (and to those elements, the US in Afghanistan).

I find it wonderfully hypocritical that you cry Saudi Arabia for being the epitome of evil yet just kind of ignore Iran and their crimes. Oh well, we all know you do not comprehend what goes on in reality.

[ext_531464]

The Saudis want Pakistan as a dictatorship. That's hardly friendly.

Maybe their governments want friendly relations, but governments never speak for their people, they only pretend to.

[oronoda]

I think before you started your last response, you should have put, "I don't have any proof to back this up but..."

I don't know if you really understand Pakistan but their current government has a lot of instability that is mainly due to the presence of Islamic radicals attempting to take over. Pakistan's problems largely are due to internal issues. Even if Saudi Arabia seeks for Pakistan to have a certain kind of government, that has very little influence for the regimes internal problems.

[cutelildrow]

Mary, my dear friend, yama doesn't understand anything that doesn't occur in his fantasy realms, I think we've proven that both here and in the recent thread where he so blithely proceeded to shoot himself in the feet and hands. For all that he constantly howls at us for being 'racist, hate-filled warmongers', he's proving himself to be far worse than what he ever tried to claim we were - a hate-filled, willfully blind ignoramus, who should be treated like the resident idiot who gives the smarter people the opportunity to explain what's going on.

But yes, Pakistan's issues are completely separate to the issues in Saudi Arabia (the rising Islamist factions may mirror Saudi Arabia's problems, but Saudi Arabia is, from what I can tell, still capable of stomping on the surges from inside - for the moment anyway. Whether that will stay, I'm not sure. Thoughts?)

[oronoda]

There have been small uprisings in Saudi as the result of the Arab Spring and they were contained. The discontent in Saudi Arabia hasn't reached critical mass as it did in the other countries like Syria, Yemen, Egypt. I think a lot has to do with similar reasons why Jordan hasn't had as many problems. People love their Kings too much. Saudi Arabia also has an additional burden of to be stable for the pilgrims who go to Mecca (as it is required in Islam). They take that role very seriously.

As I said before in my entries, when there is a Shia population, Iran is actively meddling, is trying to meddle, or wants to meddle. Iran sees themselves as the guiding light for the Shia because they want to bring about the 12th Imam who will only come forth in a time of great strife. Saudi Arabia see themselves as a guiding light for the Sunnis and they have historically been protective of the Sunni population since the beginning. They always shared close ties with Bahrain. They kinda see Bahrain in a way like how the UK sees America. Of course they're protective of it.

However, what Iran sees as basically nothing less than an endtime prophecy, that is one of the signs of a dangerous cult.

[ext_531464]

And that's how it is, the Shi'ite's freedom for stability? I shall not suffer them to have it!

[jordan179]

What if the revolution would merely create increased unfreedom for everyone? What if reform would, instead, create increased freedom for everyone? That's the way these things usually turn out.

[oronoda]

Ah yes, the split of Czechoslovakia come to mind.

[ext_531464]

Saudi reform moves at a glacial pace, and it would take centuries for them to be where China is now.

[jordan179]

The speed at which reform moves is not a constant. The worst thing for Saudi Arabia from the POV of social evolution has been their oil wealth, which has allowed them to buy off the influence of the Western World. The best thing for Saudi Arabia would be the international defeat of Islamic Fundamentalism, which would allow the pressure for liberal reform to resume.

"Reform" is also not unidirectional, a point you seem to be greatly missing. From the point of view of Al Qaeda and other Wahabist organizations, reducing sexual equality and religious freedom count as "reforms." The Arab world they want to see would not be a pleasant one for anything but a religiously-orthodox and socially-dominant Muslim male.

What the Iranian Twelvthers want is much the same, but with Shi'ites in charge and an apocalpytic war with the West.

[cutelildrow]

I'm still wondering what he'll do to stop the Arabs from getting their stability. Shout overdone vaguely dramatic and pointless declarations and slogans and simply hope that Iran makes a nuke that he HOPES AND DREAMS will be dropped on the Sauds?

Or will he FINALLY TAKE ACTION AND BECOME A TRAITOR AND COLLABORATOR TO THE TERRORISTS? DUN DUN DUUUUUN!!! Coz, you know terrorists like yama actively do not CARE if innocents are hurt, or killed...

[oronoda]

LOL, some of the Shias that have been fighting are for Shia superiority. They target Sunnis and seek for the eradication of the Sunni sect. They aren't all good and looking for the best interest of the state but rather the best interest of the sect. They are the underdog now and yes I am not denying they get the raw deal in Saudi and Bahrain. But the situation is reversed in places like Syria.

The problem is, you think revolutionaries are automatically good, like Jordan says. Their endgame may be genocide and/or suppression of freedom too, just in reverse.

[ext_531464]

So the propagandists tell you.

[oronoda]

Um... no. Try and go and listen to the sermon of radical Shia clerics. They call for the destruction of the Sunnis and vise versa.

Nice try though.