Why We Must Beat Obama

[jordan179]

Introduction

There's been a lot of talk about the list of likely Republican Presidential candidates for 2012 being disappointing. I know I'm disappointed: I see no one who I would describe as even remotely "libertarian" who is not simultaneously isolationist to the point of trying to deny the existence of the rest of the world beyond American

Comments

[melvin_udall]

Well written, of course. And of course I agree with the overall point.

I can't let this go unaddressed, however.

I have problems with any leader who even entertains the notion that the world is only 6000 years old or that its fate is in the hands of an imaginary grandfather who lives somewhere in the stratosphere.

I wouldn't have voted for George Washington or John Adams either.

[prester_scott]

Moreover...

an imaginary grandfather who lives somewhere in the stratosphere

...there is no theist over the age of 8 who has such a childish and superstitious view of God.

Jordan, don't oversimplify and misrepresent your opposition. It only makes you look like an idiot and a bigot.

[mosinging1986]

...there is no theist over the age of 8 who has such a childish and superstitious view of God.

Yes, well said!

[jordan179]

I have problems with any leader who even entertains the notion that the world is only 6000 years old or that its fate is in the hands of an imaginary grandfather who lives somewhere in the stratosphere.

I wouldn't have voted for George Washington or John Adams either.

I think the state of our scientific knowledge has advanced a little since c. 1800.

[melvin_udall]

You make a good point. Those well intentioned primitives were unaware of the march of scientific progress through the ages. I remember reading about John Adams teaching his prepubescent son, future president, Cicero as they translated it from Greek. Savages! :)

Belief in a Creator, that which is enshrined in the founding documents that created and define this Republic, is not impossible due to the discovery of stem cells any more than it was when Dr. Franklin showed the world how to protect their homes from lightning.

its fate is in the hands of an imaginary grandfather who lives somewhere in the stratosphereHere is another one of those primitives

[jasolater]

Thank you for this.

[melvin_udall]

I was a prick about it and I apologize for that. But sure.

[jasolater]

It's just that I've seen similar dismissals of religious folks recently by a friend on FB who I know personally, it generally doesn't bother me but he does it repeatedly. I'm glad that not all non-believers are so openly hostile. I agree with other comments here that when it comes to retaining our liberty and sovereignty, most of us will be fighting side by side with our non-theist countrymen, and I don't think any true American approves of Theocracy.

[cutelildrow]

But if they govern well while believing a Creator is looking out for the nation, I'm stumped as to how it either picks my pocket or breaks my leg. I just do not get the hostility.

*echoes this*

[rinku]

also jefferson was a better president than both of them and was significantly anti-religious; adams in particular was a terrible president who tried to kill free speech and jail people who spoke out against him

[melvin_udall]

who spoke out against him
Incorrect. The office. Not the person. At least manage that much accuracy.

I'm familiar with the superficial criticisms and support you cite. If only life were so simple.

I do recall that Jefferson was a big fan of the French Revolution. Man, that sure went well! What's a little massive slaughter of innocents and decades of revolution.

As to comparing their presidencies, I'm quite certain that would be a waste of my time. You know all you need to know.

[typewriterking]

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson was so anti-religious that he canonized his own bible.
/s

[actonrf]

As a Bible believing creationist, I would at the history of secularism as not more damage has been at the hands of secularist than Christians. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot were not religious and did infinity more damage and killed more people that Christians in any age.

Man’s sinful nature, being prone to corruption and lust for power, are great reasons for limited government and capitalism.

[mosinging1986]

Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot were not religious and did infinity more damage and killed more people that Christians in any age.

It's always amazing how this point is NEVER brought up in such discussions.

Man’s sinful nature, being prone to corruption and lust for power, are great reasons for limited government and capitalism.

Absolutely agreed. That is why Bible believing Christians, people of other religions (except Islam, which has no separation of church (mosque) and State), atheists/agnostics and anyone in between are able to stand together for these principles.

Instead, hostility is heaped on Christians in particular, and for no reason that I can see. It's very frustrating.