Obamacare's Passed -- Now What?

Mar 22, 2010 17:26

Introduction

Obamacare has now passed the House, and will almost certainly also pass the Senate. That is the worst of it. Now, let's think about what this means,

What does it MEAN? )

2010 election, 2012 election, 2014 election, health care, nancy pelosi, barack obama, political

Leave a comment

So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? anonymous April 25 2010, 05:31:04 UTC
This is Vincent... you know which one ( ... )

Reply

No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (I) jordan179 April 25 2010, 21:09:54 UTC
Jordan, use some actual reason for goodness sake.

I make a habit of using "actual reason."

I know you're angry at the world for your lot in life (would you like me to go into that here?), ...

I'm not particularly "angry at the world" for my "lot in life." I'm more than a little angry at myself for my own mistakes.

... and you have... shall we say... interesting views about people from other countries and races...

Such as?

But a teabagger?

A "teabagger" is a man who puts his testicles in another man's mouth, an act which has has nothing to do with national health care policy. Since I do not place my testicles in such a position, I am not a "teabagger."

I do, however, basically agree with the Tea Partiers. Was that what you meant?

C'mon. Should I remind you that the government health care that you're so much against is something you've used? In fact, I would be very surprised to find that you're not using it right now.

I'd be very surprised, as Obamacare has not yet gone into effect. If you mean government-subsidized ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (I) anonymous April 29 2010, 03:51:25 UTC
I'd like to point out that the "Obama-care" (you should really be saying Romney-care, since Obama's Health plan is based upon Mitt Romney's) is NOT government subsidized health-care, but health care reform (People, I recommend you look up what's actually being proposed). What's more, it's basically a plan that was originally put forth by a Republican. You read that right. A Republican. Once again, none other than Mitt Romney ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (I) jordan179 April 29 2010, 12:08:39 UTC
Funny. I don't remember the GOP, or the Teabagger party getting into an uproar when Romney made his proposal.

I was never a big fan of Mitt Romney. But the big difference here was that Mitt Romney's proposal was never close to passage. There was little point expending energy opposing something that was very much still at the stage of a tentative proposal.

What you're doing is called: LYING.

No. It's called "disagreeing with you." There was a time when even the Left was able to grasp the concept of honest disagreement, though that time seems to be over.

It's something a lot of TEABAGGERS do. And yes, that's what they've been calling themselves, at least until some of them realized what kind of sexual innuendo they were making.

I do not remember the Tea Party people calling themselves "teabaggers." What's more, since it is a disgusting sexual innuendo, and it is not what they call themselves, your use of that term is essentially an attempt at ad hominem, and is understood by me as being so, and as a tacit admission of the lack ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (Ib) jordan179 April 29 2010, 12:18:13 UTC
The only real reason the GOP and the Teabaggers (I'm still calling them that) is because Obama is a little too tan for their tastes, and because the GOP is deep in the pockets of the health industry. The Republicans are using their old methods of sowing fear, hate, and disinformation, to try to get their way.

Neither I, nor as far as I know the Republicans or the Tea Partiers, gives a dingdong what color Obama happens to be. What I care about are his proposed policies, since it is these policies which actually may affect the country for better or worse.

Another fact: You're racist.

No. I'm not.

It's something you've admitted, and I've seen you say some some incredibly twisted (and racist) things which you thought were perfectly fine. There were in fact: very, very offensive. I, and most other people you've known, ignored it for long time, but don't think it wasn't noticed. It was spoken of more often than you think.You might want to get a bit more specific about my claimed racist views. In particular, you might want to back it ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (Ic) jordan179 April 29 2010, 12:27:19 UTC
In addition, you might want to read: "Lies, and the Lying Liars who tell them". By Al Franken. He's pretty smart for a comedian... I mean, Senator (calling him that just makes me feel a bit happier).

Seeing people successfully steal elections makes you happy? Oddly, what makes me happy is when the democratic process is permitted to run its course fairly. But hey, I failed to receive the update to political morality under which all perfidies are permitted if they aid one's own party.

So, the next time I see a Teabagger with a sign saying 'N*gg*r, or calling for The President to be harmed, or supporting a total moron (or 'Moran', as you 'Baggers like to spell it) like Sarah Palin...

To begin with, the Tea Partiers haven't displayed any particular racism. They do not carry "Nigger" signs (no, I'm not afraid of spelling the word -- words have no magic power over me) at their rallies. Nor is it obvious what about Sarah Palin makes you consider her a "moron," other than the fact that she is a Republican from Alaska, rather than a ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (I) kalance April 29 2010, 15:42:26 UTC
I'm vehemently opposed to the new health care plan. I would be just as opposed if it were proposed by Hilary Clinton, or Al Gore, or even McCain or Palin or Mickey Mouse. The "who" doesn't matter one iota. It's the "what" that is the issue.

I read both HR 3200, and 3962.

This bill won't actually fix anything, except to criminalize people for not buying a consumer product/service no different from a shower curtain. Is it a good idea to have a shower curtain? Sure. Should it be illegal to not own one? Of course not.

Add to that the substantial taxes levied against companies who will have to choose either laying off workers or going out of business:
Such
As These
Guys.

That's what this country needed, an incentive for massive layoffs when there's a job slump...Immediately after the job layoffs that resulted from the minimum wage increase. Perfect timing, no?

Never mind that it is both illegal, immoral, and just plain wrong for the federal government to mandate purchasing a consumer product. Then forcing you to pay a fine if ( ... )

Reply

Re: No, but I'm supportive of the Tea Partiers ... (I) cutelildrow May 13 2010, 07:13:33 UTC
Jordan, this person who claims to have known you for two decades apparently doesn't know you very well. In fact, he's showing all the earmarks of a toxic ex-friend who is bitter and angry that you're no longer friends with him for whatever reason, and is trying to allege that you have secrets that other people would delight in knowing.

In other words, a pathetic, gossip-mongering, soul-and energy sucking leeching travesty of a person, who, honestly, I wouldn't want in my workplace, neighborhood, or general vicinity. They're the kind of person who delight in the misery of others to cover up their own.

And that's just what I get from reading this comment, and the other one in this post"I mean, he obviously isn't even aware that a good number of us (bar the potential newcomers) are actually aware that you are Jewish. And that you are a staunch supporter of Israel ( ... )

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? kitten_goddess April 29 2010, 14:36:24 UTC
Hi Vincent,

I disagree with the Tea Partiers, but they also have the right to peaceably assemble without being infiltrated by others. crashtheteaparty.org is an excellent link to recent attempts by saboteurs.

Even MSNBC has said the Tea Party has diversity. Some of the Tea Parties support Ron Paul, others support Sarah Palin. Some focus on lower taxes, while others support the Second Amendment.

The Tea Party adherents cannot be painted with one brush.

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? luagha April 29 2010, 14:41:40 UTC
I would just like to mention that the national health systems of countries like England and Canada are collapsing - you read horror stories about them every day in the papers. Now, even there you do get care, eventually, of an impressive 1990's sort of level but maybe not if you are old or if it will cost too much to fix you; and they use the United States as a 'safety valve' to cover their lack of capacity ( ... )

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? jordan179 April 29 2010, 15:36:35 UTC
Coincidentally, I just saw this in the Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269482/Young-mother-goes-blind-doctors-diagnose-deadly-brain-condition-headache--SIX-times.html

Note that her condition was not correctly diagnosed, and the remainder of her sight saved, until she visited a private doctor. Private doctors have an interest in providing you with good service for your dollar (or pound), state doctors have an interest in simply "processing your case" and passing you on to somebody else.

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? arhyalon April 29 2010, 14:49:03 UTC
The Tea Party folks I know are among the most kind and thoughtful I have ever met. One should be careful about taking one's view of a group from their political enemies.

There may be some obnoxious Tea Partiers somewhere...but not around here.

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? blackhawk101 April 29 2010, 15:12:23 UTC
True story- one of my best friends, a UK citizen, was having helath problems with his father. The wait for a cardiologist was 4 1/2 months in the UK. His father finally got in, the doctor talked to him for roughly 15 minutes, said the dad was simply having heartburn and go buy over the counter medicine. They KNEW it was more then that but the UK doctor refused to perform any tests as they were "not warrented ( ... )

Reply

Re: So Jordan, You're a teabagger now? irked_indeed April 29 2010, 15:16:20 UTC
Hi, Vincent ( ... )

Reply


Leave a comment

Up