IntroductionA common science-fictional scenario is the post-apocalyptic story, in which some war or disaster has destroyed civilization and the human race must rebuild from a low-tech foundation. And in real history, we see abundant evidence that civilizations are mortal: Toynbee (
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Consider Mars. If we colonize Mars, and then civilization falls there, without help from Earth or some other world that can somehow mount a spacefaring technology, that civilization can't come back -- and the colonies will perish, because in the absence of advanced technology, a world without fire can't rebuild a civilization that can provide for its members. It is possible that a fallen colony on one world which hasn't been terraformed and won't sustain open flame could be cut off long enough from the rest of the universe to perish completely, so even help coming after that wouldn't do any good.
Other than that, you've made some excellent points, and your conclusion is quite correct. Including the statement of the basic assumption, that humanity is not annihilated.
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I do think that, in a civilizational collapse, small or inadequately-sustained habs would be at risk, and some would die out or be abandoned for exactly the same reasons that many towns and villas were abandoned in the fall of the Roman Empire. Others would survive, however, and act as centers from which would come the eventual rebirth of trade and urban life, just as happened in the Dark Ages.
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I think it would be done in the larger habs. In a miles-long O'Neill cylinder, for instance, you could have a single small 19th-century style steelworks without much problem, and maybe even a whole miniature 19th-century industrial economy with only minor problems.
However, I don't think it's plausible that a whole civilization of habs would be reduced to that point (though of course a single hab might be so badly mismanaged as to lose all its science). It's more likely that a disaster (cultural or otherwise) would eliminate the highest-tech fabrication capability (the production of antimatter? Of negative-mass objects? Of sapient computers?) and leave the hab reduced to something lower-tech but still "high-tech" from our POV (integrated microcircuitry? Nuclear thermal batteries?).
Given an even c. 1875 level of chemistry and machining, you don't need open flames for industrial processes. You can do combustion in enclosed chambers, feeding fuel and oxidizers to them, while pumping out the exhaust. Given a non-airbreathing energy source (nuclear or solar) you can then reduce the waste products back into oxidizer and fuel.
Admittedly, if a hab managed to fall back below a late 19th century level of technology, it would be in trouble -- but I don't think that this would happen often, and if there were other habs in communication with that hab, the trouble would not necessarily be impossible to recover from.
I don't know to what extent we will terraform planets. I would point out that some governments and not-for-profit foundations (the latter of which are sometimes set up or funded by for-profit corporations) have shown long-term planning abilities in the past. Futhermore, at a very high tech level, individuals might very well be able to engage in terraforming.
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They were saved when an STL starship that had become trapped in their system and hunted by everyone for its resources, which included a very powerful fusion reactor, managed to parlay its technological capabilities into the formation of a system government and shared its energy with all the cultures of that star system.
So I admit that it could happen, here and there. As note my comments regarding a "Greenland" colony situation.
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