A Recipe for Disaster in Pakistan

Oct 11, 2009 09:48

More of Barack Obama's diplomatic brilliance on display.

What's he done NOW? )

diplomacy, al qaeda, taliban, pakistan, india, america, terrorism, barack obama

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starblade_enkai October 11 2009, 21:41:03 UTC
Except we didn't have a reason to go to Iraq anymore than we had a reason to go to, say, Cuba.

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jordan179 October 11 2009, 23:43:08 UTC
Except we didn't have a reason to go to Iraq anymore than we had a reason to go to, say, Cuba.

You're aruging that Cuba had in 2003 recently committed acts of war against the United States of America?

Iraq, after all, had.

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starblade_enkai October 12 2009, 02:39:32 UTC
Which act of war was this? I'd make some guesses but I don't want to come off as snide.

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jordan179 October 12 2009, 03:31:31 UTC
Breaking every term of the truce which ended the 1990-91 war, and in addition firing upon US forces enforcing the terms, and attempting to kill former President George H. W. Bush. That enough "acts of war" for you? And I've told you all this before, too, so it's hard for you to plead ignorance.

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starblade_enkai October 12 2009, 06:17:03 UTC
Okay, good points. Sometimes I forget things.

However, considering that there was no link between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden, and there were no WMDs, why was Bush justified in paying off Pakistan? Iraq could've been fought before or after the war on terror.

While I agree that the Iraq government had no moral right to exist qua rule by Saddam Hussein, the timing of it was impractical. Unless of course you want to argue that having Iraq is important strategically, but we don't seem to have utilized that reason, so the point is moot.

I hope you don't mind my arguing against something for which I was previously in favor.

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jordan179 October 12 2009, 13:27:51 UTC
However, considering that there was no link between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden ...

Well, there was a weak link. Saddam Hussein cooperated with Al Qaeda at various points.

... and there were no WMDs ...

Bush didn't know that until after he invaded Iraq. From Bush's POV in early 2003, Iraq was the main priority, because he thought it was closer to acquiring WMD than was Iran or Syria.

... why was Bush justified in paying off Pakistan? Iraq could've been fought before or after the war on terror.

Remember that Bush had to make the decision vis a vis Pakistan each year based on what he knew then. When Pakistan initially promised to turn on Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Bush had no reason not to believe Pakistani promises. It was not apparent that Pakistan was going to break these promises until after we were already involved in Iraq.

Obama doesn't have this excuse. It's obvious now that the Pakistani regime is not acting in good faith, and furthermore Obama is making his decision after the Mumbai Massacre and Pakistan's reaction to it ( ... )

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