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[johnnypurple]

i think i might be cured of fandom!secrets. the one today about transsexuals (those who've seen it will know which one i mean, those who haven't seen it - don't go and look. save yourself). maybe the person who made it is a troll. or a complete turd. either way, it's just put me off the whole thing. blurgh

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[rhosyndu]

See, I interpreted that one as more of a complaint about someone trying to be something they're not because they believe they should be than them wanting to be a different gender; sort of like someone only acting like a queen because they feel it's expected as a gay man. (Personally, I tend to get on better with bears than twinks, but hey, I'm a tom boy.) Which I'd agree with: who'd want to step out of one stereotype and right into another?

Though I'm probably completely misinterpreting what they said. Wouldn't be the first time.

I have posted one secret on f!s, aaaaaages ago. Nothing terribly scandalous.

And re:2- I' certain half the secrets there are just for the LULZ/wank opportunities.

[johnnypurple]

who'd want to step out of one stereotype and right into another? i agree with that too, but i didn't get that from the secret. i got a complete lack of respect for the friend in question and for his/her choice in how s/he identifies and no attempt to understand the issue or how the friend is feeling and no empathy at all. just a 'bring my old friend back and stop questioning your identity, i know who you really are, better than you know yourself'... that's how i read it, anyway. *le sigh*

pls u b linking me to yr scandalous seekrit nao pls!? :D

And re:2- I' certain half the secrets there are just for the LULZ/wank opportunities. True, true.

tom boy, eh? *makes eyes at you* wait, is there a difference between tomboy and tom boy?! Are you a boy named Tom??? Are you Tom who I know Tom???! ;-)

[wolfy_writing]

In the Philippines, 'tomboy' means lesbian. So do 'boytom' (which some sort of clever ultra-secret gay slang, apparently), and 'T-bird', which is just awesome!

Not that I'm suggesting anything. Rhosyndu is in Wales, right?

Just trivia on the meaning of tomboy.

[rhosyndu]

Welsh, but in Cornwall where they still seem to think of homosexuals as a new fangled idea, in between viewing those horseless carriages with suspicion.

And yay for random trivia!

[johnnypurple]

'T-bird to the rescue!' heheh. awesome!

And Wales is part of the Philippines, right?! No, wait-

I should ask my housemate, she's from the philippines (but she doesn't have those lovely accents they have on Torchwood, which is how i imagine Ros speaks - all vowelie and slashy!), but don't know how into the secret gay philippino scene she ever was.... Also she can't tell the difference between Australian and British/Welsh/Scottish/Irish accents. I don't know what that has to do with it, but...

[mahpantsaregone]

I had a T-bird once! It was a suspiciously gay car. I loved it.

Until I blew the engine up.

BUT IT WENT SO FAST!

Trivia FTW!

[nixwilliams]

yeah, in thailand 'tom' is something like 'butch', even slightly similar to 'ftm'. and a 'dee' is the more 'feminine' partner in tom-dee relationship. it's really interesting to see how different cultures and languages order gender and sexuality.

/butting in!

[rhosyndu]

Either way I can't actually see a fandom in that secret. Am I being blind?

I don't have the link any more, but it, er, basically was a paintmash of my occasional reoccurring shame of writing RPF (go drunken self!). I mean, I'm mostly unashamed and proud, but occasionally I just feel evil for writing smut about people I don't know without their permission. But I think that's a feeling most RPFers get from time to time. Suffice to say, it's not stopped me from writing filth.

[johnnypurple]

No, i couldn't see a fandom in that secret either. Just a whole lot of nasty.

shame? wot? i don't- *g* heeee. i think it's a way of showing love. creepy fannish love that "real people" are probably better off not knowing about! lol.

At work today, my boss and 2 of my coworkers (boss's son & nephew) were glomping a soccor player from their team who came into the market. the word 'fangirl' popped into my head. then i wondered if they write RPS about said soccor player and his team mates. then my brain was entertained and full of lolz for some time.

[wolfy_writing]

I've had spates of the shame myself. Mostly I deal with it by writing about people who I think would laugh themselves senseless if they read what I wrote (aside from my random angst globs at TGS, which we will not speak of). I mean, can you imagine Jeremy, James, and Richard reading nine chapters of "Richard intermittently turns into a car, and they all shag," or, "Richard is accidentally turned female due to Jeremy being rubbish at DIY, and winds up having lesbian sex with her alternate-universe counterpart" and doing anything but laughing themselves senseless? Rationalization, what rationalization?

Actually, part of the reason I hesitated to get into RPF was that I felt kind of uncomfortable, and no one was willing to talk about feeling that way and getting past it. It was all, "RPF is evil!" or, "What could you possibly feel bad about?" (with a bunch of, "It's legal!", which didn't exactly address ethical discomfort). Finally, I ran into someone who had felt weird, gotten past it, and talked about how she'd done that, and

[rhosyndu]

Oh, I deal with it alright, and it only occurs temps en temps, which is why it was a secret you see; I'm no good at talking about feelings or doubts or anything of that kidney, and I didn't want to worry anyone with it.

It is hard to find people to talk to about the morals of RPF- but then, it often is with moral issues as both sets of people tend to end up thinking their way as so inherently right that you'd have to be a moron not to see so.

I think my RPF line is probably slashing actors from movies when I could use their characters; it feels okay with comedians and TV hosts who play themselves on the screen, but I don't think I'd go for, oh, Johnny Depp/Jack Davenport when Sparrow/Norrington is a possibility. If that makes any sense?