The rational argument you are looking for is the argument from nature - though rarely do people agree on what is "natural" and what is not
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just for arguments sakeflyin_my_soupDecember 17 2005, 21:36:00 UTC
I came across this by chance, and i do have a few comments and questions, if you'd be so kind.
First, dogs do eat thier own feces for a natural reason. Some foods (mostly proteins) cannot be fully digested the first time through. They eat animal feces in order to gain the rest of those nutrients. They dont eat thier feces because they are stupid or something, just to get the most out of thier food. They also greatly enjoy cat feces, because it contains so much protein.
Monkey's fling thier feces as a defence and survival mechanism by the way. Its a defense against predators, and if you saw many humans looking at you through bars, you might think them predators also.
Some animals also cannabalize thier young for natural purposes. Perhaps the young is disabled or diseased. They will then eat that young to protect any other family or young from that disease, and a disabled baby wont last long anyways. And just so you know, the acid in the stomach would then take care of the young's disease. It is also possible that there can be a shortage of food, and therefor the mother could not possibly provide for herself and the new young. She goes ahead and consumes the young, insuring her health and that she will go on to reproduce again.
How do you know animals do things just because "nature" tell them to through genetics. Ive seen animals do plenty of things that call for slightly more intellect than that. And also note that i am not saying they are sentient, just more intelligent than you give them credit for.
As for things you see as perversions, such as perverse sexual acts, eating disorders, and alcoholism. These are not simply perversions, they are actually responses to how the brain is wired, and can be seen as mental disorders too. Humans are not exempt from nature, or natures flaws in genetics.
How can you speak of how homosexuals think when you are not one yourself? It's generalization, something like saying you know what a stranger's thoughts and feelings are.
Homosexuals do think of family, thats why they fight for those rights.
Do you have a partner? I would bet that if you do, you probably do other sexual acts than just those that result in fertility. Is this mutual masturbation a perversion too? or is it exempt from it being a perversion because you are male and female?
And my apologies to your partner if you do indeed have one, i mean her no disrespect.
Re: just for arguments sakejmiller77December 17 2005, 21:43:32 UTC
Oh I am sure she will take none...I am simply trying to give a POV that isn't the usual christian one-sided view...I have never heard of an animal eating a diseased or a disfigured youngling...I have heard of them eating them because it is their nature...I never claimed to be able to think how homosexuals and I do not believe that mutual masturbation between a man and a woman is perversion simply because it is still that sexual attraction between a male and a female...the natural way...this is not an argument on my point...this is simply my point of view...
Re: just for arguments sakeblinkerkelzDecember 18 2005, 02:07:24 UTC
josh, you can't help who or what you have feelings for. i have an uncle who likes women but he felt like a woman himself so he had a sex change and is now considered a lesbian. he's an amazing person are you going to judge him based on that? if so you're not the cool kid i thought you were. i was born knowing him as my uncle and now i know him as my aunt and still love him. it may be confusing for outsiders to understand but imagine how hurt the family was that he didn't want to be someone we loved and thought we knew anymore? if we as the family have accepted him as being such and don't care why should the rest of the world? no one can help how the behave. if we could why would there be so many gays and lesbians? men like women and women like men why not assume there would be some who'd like the same sex? we all start out the same, society just tells us we should like the one we can reproduce with when in actuality you should really be with those you love.
Re: just for arguments sakejmiller77December 18 2005, 17:25:48 UTC
ONCE AGAIN....I DO NOT JUDGE GAY PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE...I HAVE NEVER JUDGED A GAY PERSON BASED ON SEXUAL PREFERENCE...IF THEY ARE COOL THEN THEY'RE COOL...IF THEIR AN ASSHOLE THEN THEY'RE AN ASSHOLE...I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS "CORRECT" OR "RIGHT" BY ANY MEANS AND I WILL NOT EVER BELIEVE THAT...
First, dogs do eat thier own feces for a natural reason. Some foods (mostly proteins) cannot be fully digested the first time through. They eat animal feces in order to gain the rest of those nutrients. They dont eat thier feces because they are stupid or something, just to get the most out of thier food. They also greatly enjoy cat feces, because it contains so much protein.
Monkey's fling thier feces as a defence and survival mechanism by the way. Its a defense against predators, and if you saw many humans looking at you through bars, you might think them predators also.
Some animals also cannabalize thier young for natural purposes. Perhaps the young is disabled or diseased. They will then eat that young to protect any other family or young from that disease, and a disabled baby wont last long anyways. And just so you know, the acid in the stomach would then take care of the young's disease. It is also possible that there can be a shortage of food, and therefor the mother could not possibly provide for herself and the new young. She goes ahead and consumes the young, insuring her health and that she will go on to reproduce again.
How do you know animals do things just because "nature" tell them to through genetics. Ive seen animals do plenty of things that call for slightly more intellect than that. And also note that i am not saying they are sentient, just more intelligent than you give them credit for.
As for things you see as perversions, such as perverse sexual acts, eating disorders, and alcoholism. These are not simply perversions, they are actually responses to how the brain is wired, and can be seen as mental disorders too. Humans are not exempt from nature, or natures flaws in genetics.
How can you speak of how homosexuals think when you are not one yourself? It's generalization, something like saying you know what a stranger's thoughts and feelings are.
Homosexuals do think of family, thats why they fight for those rights.
Do you have a partner?
I would bet that if you do, you probably do other sexual acts than just those that result in fertility. Is this mutual masturbation a perversion too? or is it exempt from it being a perversion because you are male and female?
And my apologies to your partner if you do indeed have one, i mean her no disrespect.
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