Yay! Hello there, the more on the good ship Continuum, the better:-)
I think it was a deliberate decision on the makers part not to show anything directly sexual on the screen. The most explicit scene in the entire series was the one when Carlos kissed his old lover on the couch, and I think they only showed that because it had a direct effect on the plot. Also, while I could see Kellog as a hugger (he's always the one who intitiates any physical contact) I can't see Kiera as one - but I do think they slept together, and I definitely think Kiera is feeling guilty about the fact she doesn't feel guilty enough about it!
And Kellog's motivations are VERY ambigious. I'm subscribing to the view that he started out with an agenda and then got attached, which could make things more interesting down the line. I also remember the expression on his face when she told him she was sorry about his sister, and I genuinely think he hadn't realised she was one of the Protectors from that night.
I have to say, though, that I think that a lot of his previous 'come ons' were more a manifestation of his sense of humour - like when he's tied to a chair and Kiera wonders what she should do and goes, 'well, we're alone and we're both adults...' *Grins*
They made a point of telling us Kellog has a background in pschology. I think he was basically chipping away at her Protector persona since the first moment they met and I believe that was a concerted effort. I also think he hasn't given up on changing the future, he just has different ideas about how to do that and his original plan was to get Kiera onside - and I think when he made a more concerted effort to connect with her, he was a lot more subtle about it!
Oh - and I also think Alec Sadler played a huge part in sending him back to our time. It's pretty obvious from the start that, while Kellog is definitely Liber8, he didn't play a direct part in the 2076 bombing. I think Alec deliberately manipulated his trial to make sure he was found guilty!
Yay! Hello there, the more on the good ship Continuum, the better:-)
Hee. Great to be on board.
I think it was a deliberate decision on the makers part not to show anything directly sexual on the screen.
You're right. It goes a lot further than just Keira/Kellog. Meh. Why? Whyyyy? *g*
Also, while I could see Kellog as a hugger (he's always the one who intitiates any physical contact) I can't see Kiera as one
True. But I think she was begging for it in that scene. She came to him because she needed something to hold on to, and even though she didn't want to admit it, she wanted to connect. She was waiting for him to approach, and she didn't run away. It was as close as she is ever going to get to asking for a hug. Or for sex, depending on what you want to concentrate on there.
I do think they slept together
I would have loved to see that, although the fact that she woke up in her clothes is not actually conducive to that conclusion. But then the whole scene had continuity issues, so I'll just handwave that along with the rest. *g*
I definitely think Kiera is feeling guilty about the fact she doesn't feel guilty enough about it!
Yeah, she was all 'whatever'. I just loved Kellog's reaction: "Of course it didn't. What are we talking about?" He's all on her side and yet unable to resist poking at her.
And Kellog's motivations are VERY ambigious. I'm subscribing to the view that he started out with an agenda and then got attached, which could make things more interesting down the line.
Yes, that sounds cool. I mean, at this point, we have to assume *everybody* has a task to fulfill and possesses information about their immediate future. Everyone except Keira. And if it had any advantage for Keira to have information, Alec would have given it to her, too. So... yes. Definitely, Kellog is there for a purpose. If it is only to get lots of money (although he seems to have stopped that), or to provide an anchor for Keira (sounds a little too emotional and not really something you could plan for), or something more devious, who knows? I think it is fun to speculate about it.
I have to say, though, that I think that a lot of his previous 'come ons' were more a manifestation of his sense of humour - like when he's tied to a chair and Kiera wonders what she should do and goes, 'well, we're alone and we're both adults...' *Grins*
Yeah. I liked that one. That came out of nowhere. And the rest of them can be explained away exactly like that, as well. The one where she wanted the device back and he says "your heart" was the only one that was so over the top that it pinged for me. There was no need for comic relief in that scene, and I thought it was just clumsy foreshadowing (or Kellog giving away his game plan). So... hm. But yes, he uses humor and smiles to cover *everything*, which I really like. On tv shows, it's often that the bad guys aren't allowed to smile, and he smiles all the time. Have you seen Merlin? I loved Agravaine. I like it when they go against the cliche.
They made a point of telling us Kellog has a background in pschology. I think he was basically chipping away at her Protector persona since the first moment they met and I believe that was a concerted effort.
Yes. The question is, why - or what for? The only thing I can come up with so far is that Alec thinks she needs someone or that he wants to speed along her change in opinion about where she's coming from.
Oh - and I also think Alec Sadler played a huge part in sending him back to our time. It's pretty obvious from the start that, while Kellog is definitely Liber8, he didn't play a direct part in the 2076 bombing. I think Alec deliberately manipulated his trial to make sure he was found guilty!
Yes! I hadn't thought about the details, but Alec is definitely pulling all the strings here. The question is just, is Kellog following his instructions or not?
I still am not convinced that the future in this 'verse is in fact changeable, and that is the one thing that even Alec doesn't know, just fervently hopes. But I really wanted to post this in some more coherent form. :) I hope I'll get around to it in the next days.
I would have loved to see that, although the fact that she woke up in her clothes is not actually conducive to that conclusion.
I'm not 100% positive about Continuum, but I know Rachel Nichols has stipulated a 'no nudity' clause in previous contracts. Perhaps in later seasons, if she feels that the Powers That Be won't want her to strip every second episode just for the sake of it, that might change!
The one where she wanted the device back and he says "your heart" was the only one that was so over the top that it pinged for me.
Oh, I never perceived that as a come on, I thought that was totally to fluster her and put her off her game - and when she did the unexpected and played along, he took it to another level and actually touched her. She backed off so fast, I thought she blurred a bit :-P
Kiera is a very regimented character who is more than a little repressed. Sex and her sexuality were pinpointed as soft points by Kellog from the start, which is why the scene between them at the end of episode 9 is so poignant. It was all about honesty, there was no innuendo.
In terms of Kellog's place in all this, another thing I wonder about is the exchange between Kagame and Travis in episode 5, where Kagame talks about giving his word - now, he could be talking about Kellog, but as Kellog broke his word first by using Kagame's mother as pawn, I thought this was unlikely - so I thought maybe he was referring to the future Alec? Maybe he gave Kagame information about Kiera’s family to further his agenda but extracted a promise nobody would be killed? That would mean Kellog’s grandmother was supposed to survive, and the plan may have already gone off its tracks!
I’m not sure if Kellog is in on Alec’s master plan but I’m pretty sure Kellog will be approached by the privateers at some point if not already - if he’ll be seduced by the thought of wealth and security or whether he’ll back Kiera (or spy for her!) is still up for debate. It seems to me Kellog’s soft spot is his family which has been pretty much stripped from him. He has no stake in maintaining the current timeline. I’m thinking he may waver between the two options for a while before picking a side - and I’m hoping that side is Kiera or she’s screwed! He knows her way too well and Kiera is not very good at understanding people, rather than analysing them - although she’s getting better, thanks to Carlos.
I know Rachel Nichols has stipulated a 'no nudity' clause in previous contracts
I don't like non-plot reasons for things, meh. But good for her. Although wearing that suit is almost the same as stripping. ;)
Kiera is a very regimented character who is more than a little repressed. Sex and her sexuality were pinpointed as soft points by Kellog from the start
Yes, it's an easy point of attack with her. Her real vulnerability is her family, though. E.g. look at how extremely she was distracted by Jason and his fake time machine. If that was intentional, it worked perfectly. :D
I do think that Kellog was deliberately placed there to provide an anchor for Keira, and he is still doing his job and following his instructions.
which is why the scene between them at the end of episode 9 is so poignant. It was all about honesty, there was no innuendo.
I would like that very much. It does feel different than the previous come-ons he sent her way. It feels honest - but I'm not sure it is.
I wonder about is the exchange between Kagame and Travis in episode 5, where Kagame talks about giving his word
Oh, wow, I had totally overlooked this. I have not rewatched anything yet (except the pilot), but I will go through it again with my friend next month. I will definitely pay more attention to details like that.
But yes, that sounds exactly like what you're saying. The idea was prearranged but it didn't go as planned.
That is actually the only thing that would make it interesting for the characters and that is why I don't believe that the future is unchangeable. If nothing they do matters, it would get boring fast. This way, they are just slightly better off in terms of information than everyone else, but they still have to do their very best to make things happen the way they want to. That's why I think this is the way the show is going. It's just better for storytelling.
I’m thinking he may waver between the two options for a while before picking a side
As I said, I'm not sure Kellog has already left his plan behind. I think Alec sent Kellog specifically to catch Keira when she stops trusting Alec. Whether he really likes her is hard to tell when you look at it like that. Or whether he had additional tasks to perform for Liber8 - he seems to have stopped doing that, maybe connected with the killing of his family. Oh, I don't know.
But yes, the other time travellers are going to become more important next season, and there is nothing we know about them yet. Although it would make Kellog's "forget about them" even more duplicitous, if he knows about even more time travellers and is keeping it from her.
I’m hoping that side is Kiera or she’s screwed!
I'm always willing to trust Kellog. I *want* him to be a good guy.
There still is the problem of Keira believing in the state she comes from and in corporate dominance. They will need to convert her, and for this, Kellog is also very well suited. I am really looking forward to season 2.
I think it was a deliberate decision on the makers part not to show anything directly sexual on the screen. The most explicit scene in the entire series was the one when Carlos kissed his old lover on the couch, and I think they only showed that because it had a direct effect on the plot. Also, while I could see Kellog as a hugger (he's always the one who intitiates any physical contact) I can't see Kiera as one - but I do think they slept together, and I definitely think Kiera is feeling guilty about the fact she doesn't feel guilty enough about it!
And Kellog's motivations are VERY ambigious. I'm subscribing to the view that he started out with an agenda and then got attached, which could make things more interesting down the line. I also remember the expression on his face when she told him she was sorry about his sister, and I genuinely think he hadn't realised she was one of the Protectors from that night.
I have to say, though, that I think that a lot of his previous 'come ons' were more a manifestation of his sense of humour - like when he's tied to a chair and Kiera wonders what she should do and goes, 'well, we're alone and we're both adults...' *Grins*
They made a point of telling us Kellog has a background in pschology. I think he was basically chipping away at her Protector persona since the first moment they met and I believe that was a concerted effort. I also think he hasn't given up on changing the future, he just has different ideas about how to do that and his original plan was to get Kiera onside - and I think when he made a more concerted effort to connect with her, he was a lot more subtle about it!
Oh - and I also think Alec Sadler played a huge part in sending him back to our time. It's pretty obvious from the start that, while Kellog is definitely Liber8, he didn't play a direct part in the 2076 bombing. I think Alec deliberately manipulated his trial to make sure he was found guilty!
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Hee. Great to be on board.
I think it was a deliberate decision on the makers part not to show anything directly sexual on the screen.
You're right. It goes a lot further than just Keira/Kellog. Meh. Why? Whyyyy? *g*
Also, while I could see Kellog as a hugger (he's always the one who intitiates any physical contact) I can't see Kiera as one
True. But I think she was begging for it in that scene. She came to him because she needed something to hold on to, and even though she didn't want to admit it, she wanted to connect. She was waiting for him to approach, and she didn't run away. It was as close as she is ever going to get to asking for a hug. Or for sex, depending on what you want to concentrate on there.
I do think they slept together
I would have loved to see that, although the fact that she woke up in her clothes is not actually conducive to that conclusion. But then the whole scene had continuity issues, so I'll just handwave that along with the rest. *g*
I definitely think Kiera is feeling guilty about the fact she doesn't feel guilty enough about it!
Yeah, she was all 'whatever'. I just loved Kellog's reaction: "Of course it didn't. What are we talking about?" He's all on her side and yet unable to resist poking at her.
And Kellog's motivations are VERY ambigious. I'm subscribing to the view that he started out with an agenda and then got attached, which could make things more interesting down the line.
Yes, that sounds cool. I mean, at this point, we have to assume *everybody* has a task to fulfill and possesses information about their immediate future. Everyone except Keira. And if it had any advantage for Keira to have information, Alec would have given it to her, too. So... yes. Definitely, Kellog is there for a purpose. If it is only to get lots of money (although he seems to have stopped that), or to provide an anchor for Keira (sounds a little too emotional and not really something you could plan for), or something more devious, who knows? I think it is fun to speculate about it.
I have to say, though, that I think that a lot of his previous 'come ons' were more a manifestation of his sense of humour - like when he's tied to a chair and Kiera wonders what she should do and goes, 'well, we're alone and we're both adults...' *Grins*
Yeah. I liked that one. That came out of nowhere. And the rest of them can be explained away exactly like that, as well. The one where she wanted the device back and he says "your heart" was the only one that was so over the top that it pinged for me. There was no need for comic relief in that scene, and I thought it was just clumsy foreshadowing (or Kellog giving away his game plan). So... hm. But yes, he uses humor and smiles to cover *everything*, which I really like. On tv shows, it's often that the bad guys aren't allowed to smile, and he smiles all the time. Have you seen Merlin? I loved Agravaine. I like it when they go against the cliche.
They made a point of telling us Kellog has a background in pschology. I think he was basically chipping away at her Protector persona since the first moment they met and I believe that was a concerted effort.
Yes. The question is, why - or what for? The only thing I can come up with so far is that Alec thinks she needs someone or that he wants to speed along her change in opinion about where she's coming from.
Oh - and I also think Alec Sadler played a huge part in sending him back to our time. It's pretty obvious from the start that, while Kellog is definitely Liber8, he didn't play a direct part in the 2076 bombing. I think Alec deliberately manipulated his trial to make sure he was found guilty!
Yes! I hadn't thought about the details, but Alec is definitely pulling all the strings here. The question is just, is Kellog following his instructions or not?
I still am not convinced that the future in this 'verse is in fact changeable, and that is the one thing that even Alec doesn't know, just fervently hopes. But I really wanted to post this in some more coherent form. :) I hope I'll get around to it in the next days.
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I'm not 100% positive about Continuum, but I know Rachel Nichols has stipulated a 'no nudity' clause in previous contracts. Perhaps in later seasons, if she feels that the Powers That Be won't want her to strip every second episode just for the sake of it, that might change!
The one where she wanted the device back and he says "your heart" was the only one that was so over the top that it pinged for me.
Oh, I never perceived that as a come on, I thought that was totally to fluster her and put her off her game - and when she did the unexpected and played along, he took it to another level and actually touched her. She backed off so fast, I thought she blurred a bit :-P
Kiera is a very regimented character who is more than a little repressed. Sex and her sexuality were pinpointed as soft points by Kellog from the start, which is why the scene between them at the end of episode 9 is so poignant. It was all about honesty, there was no innuendo.
In terms of Kellog's place in all this, another thing I wonder about is the exchange between Kagame and Travis in episode 5, where Kagame talks about giving his word - now, he could be talking about Kellog, but as Kellog broke his word first by using Kagame's mother as pawn, I thought this was unlikely - so I thought maybe he was referring to the future Alec? Maybe he gave Kagame information about Kiera’s family to further his agenda but extracted a promise nobody would be killed? That would mean Kellog’s grandmother was supposed to survive, and the plan may have already gone off its tracks!
I’m not sure if Kellog is in on Alec’s master plan but I’m pretty sure Kellog will be approached by the privateers at some point if not already - if he’ll be seduced by the thought of wealth and security or whether he’ll back Kiera (or spy for her!) is still up for debate. It seems to me Kellog’s soft spot is his family which has been pretty much stripped from him. He has no stake in maintaining the current timeline. I’m thinking he may waver between the two options for a while before picking a side - and I’m hoping that side is Kiera or she’s screwed! He knows her way too well and Kiera is not very good at understanding people, rather than analysing them - although she’s getting better, thanks to Carlos.
And I’m rambling again :-)
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I don't like non-plot reasons for things, meh. But good for her. Although wearing that suit is almost the same as stripping. ;)
Kiera is a very regimented character who is more than a little repressed. Sex and her sexuality were pinpointed as soft points by Kellog from the start
Yes, it's an easy point of attack with her. Her real vulnerability is her family, though. E.g. look at how extremely she was distracted by Jason and his fake time machine. If that was intentional, it worked perfectly. :D
I do think that Kellog was deliberately placed there to provide an anchor for Keira, and he is still doing his job and following his instructions.
which is why the scene between them at the end of episode 9 is so poignant. It was all about honesty, there was no innuendo.
I would like that very much. It does feel different than the previous come-ons he sent her way. It feels honest - but I'm not sure it is.
I wonder about is the exchange between Kagame and Travis in episode 5, where Kagame talks about giving his word
Oh, wow, I had totally overlooked this. I have not rewatched anything yet (except the pilot), but I will go through it again with my friend next month. I will definitely pay more attention to details like that.
But yes, that sounds exactly like what you're saying. The idea was prearranged but it didn't go as planned.
That is actually the only thing that would make it interesting for the characters and that is why I don't believe that the future is unchangeable. If nothing they do matters, it would get boring fast. This way, they are just slightly better off in terms of information than everyone else, but they still have to do their very best to make things happen the way they want to. That's why I think this is the way the show is going. It's just better for storytelling.
I’m thinking he may waver between the two options for a while before picking a side
As I said, I'm not sure Kellog has already left his plan behind. I think Alec sent Kellog specifically to catch Keira when she stops trusting Alec. Whether he really likes her is hard to tell when you look at it like that. Or whether he had additional tasks to perform for Liber8 - he seems to have stopped doing that, maybe connected with the killing of his family. Oh, I don't know.
But yes, the other time travellers are going to become more important next season, and there is nothing we know about them yet. Although it would make Kellog's "forget about them" even more duplicitous, if he knows about even more time travellers and is keeping it from her.
I’m hoping that side is Kiera or she’s screwed!
I'm always willing to trust Kellog. I *want* him to be a good guy.
There still is the problem of Keira believing in the state she comes from and in corporate dominance. They will need to convert her, and for this, Kellog is also very well suited. I am really looking forward to season 2.
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