#shoutyourabortion
I have to say, I'm really pleased with my involvement in this thread.
A friend posted a pro-body-autonomy thing...that's what started this.
One thing that really irks me, though, is that I'm arguing coolly and calmly. But the others suggest that I'm "yelling" at them or "being accusatory." While they call me a murderer. Wow.
Also, the guy who says he's not going to argue anymore because he knows he won't change my mind -- I actually have faith in logic! I believe the things I believe for GOOD REASONS, and I believe that SAYING THOSE REASONS OUT LOUD is good for the overall dialogue, and very damn well can change minds.
PadreChris New Except the vast majority of scientists have agreed that life begins at conception. If society agreeing to extinguish human life in the womb, without that life's consent, killing is profoundly worse than requiring life to exist and grow. There's two aut...See More
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Paul Jenkins
Paul Jenkins thank you for the response, and thank you for adopting. people adopting babies from unwanted pregnancy is the only way i've seen to take responsibility for forwarding the conversation rather than getting stuck in hate. well done
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers Please cite your sources on this majority of scientists. I don't deny that conception is the beginning of a life, but I also don't think that the life of a zygote, which depends entirely on its host and is by definition a parasite, is comparable to the life of an infant, a child, or adult.
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers Also: are you a vegetarian?
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PadreChris New
PadreChris New How do you judge the value of human life? Does one stage of life hold more intrinsic value than another?
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers Yes, it does. When a person is capable of emotions and feelings and thoughts, that is more valuable than when they are not.
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers And I repeat my previous question. Are you a vegetarian?
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PadreChris New
PadreChris New Okay then
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers A collection of cells that is incapable of pain is not a human. It's a prerequisite to human life, but so is an egg or a sperm. Do you mourn the loss of every sperm you lose that doesn't result in a thriving baby?
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PadreChris New
PadreChris New I'm not going to engage in an abortion debate on Paul's wall that won't ultimately matter in five minutes because neither of us are going to change each other's mind. This is Paul's space, not mine.
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers So you're NOT a vegetarian, then?
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Paul Jenkins
Paul Jenkins thanks chris. I'm not trying to start an argument, i just try to share anything abortion related whenever i see something on either side that i've not seen before. I have a lot of intelligent good friends on both sides of the issue and my goal isn't to get them to yell at each other, just to hear their thoughts and to try to challenge myself to see as many sides of the argument as i can.
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Paul Jenkins
Paul Jenkins meg, what is the point about being vegetarian? you are, as i recall, and i want to hear your thoughts. can you explain in a general sense and not an accusatory tone? vegetarianism is also something that interests me, but i have done significantly less research into it than abortion and i'm still in the thought-collecting stage on it
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers If a cluster of cells that has not yet developed the complexities to feel anything at all is equal to a life, I just want to know how people who believe that can reconcile it with killing live animals, who do feel pain, to eat them.
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Paul Jenkins
Paul Jenkins aah. that is a logical jump that seems to come out of left field for me. i've never thought of that before. I get the logic of it, just hadn't made the connection
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers I don't see how it's a jump at all.
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Katherine Adelicia Hedian
Katherine Adelicia Hedian There is no legal recourse to stop her even from far more destructive drugs. Approx 40%of the newborns at my hospital in rural wv are born addicted to meth, heroin, narcotics, barbiturates or a combo and have to stay weeks for methadone rx. But DHS gets involved at that time and babe may not go home with parent unless or until she is in rehab.
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Vicki Kirk
Vicki Kirk I beg to differ on the whole consent of the baby being in your body the consent takes place when you consent to having the sex to become pregnant and yes you could become pregnant by a rape but I do believe every life has a purpose and giving the child to a family that is unable to have them seems more responsible
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers I have had plenty of consensual sex, but never ever have i intended for that sex to produce a pregnancy. To that end, I've always used birth control on top of birth control -- the pill for me, a spermicidal condom for him. But these methods failed once...See More
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Vicki Kirk
Vicki Kirk Meg Massie Myers you still knew it was a possibility when consenting to the act no matter what precautions were taken so yes as a matter of fact it was
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers So a woman who does not want to become pregnant should never have sex? Anyone who can get on board with that idea has never had good sex, obviously.
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Vicki Kirk
Vicki Kirk What I am saying is you make the choice every time you have sex there is always a chance the life growing inside of you when you are pregnant should have the same rights as anyone else and that having an obortion just because you don't want the child should be punished the same as a patent killing a child after birth either way it's still a life that was killed
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers So, are you a vegetarian?
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Vicki Kirk
Vicki Kirk Nope I'm not nor will I be simply because I like meat normally it is caught or hunted from the wild or raised on my families farm and unlike most places we care for our animals
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers Do you not see a disconnect between thinking that anyone who has an abortion is a criminal, a killer, and eating animals, no matter how humanely they're raised and slaughtered?
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Vicki Kirk
Vicki Kirk Simple God intended them as a food source and hence the reason we are omnivores just like it isn't murder when a coyote or wolf takes and kills to eat its part of the circle of life however killing an unborn child that is alive in you is not
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Meg Massie Myers
Meg Massie Myers If your God didn't want me to have sex for any reason other than procreation, he wouldn't have given me a clitoris.
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