Presidential Politics - More Bullshit

[jesus_h_biscuit]

The Moderate Voice has a post called Much Ado About Jeremiah Wright, about Obama's pastor who recently made some inflammatory remarks. The right-wing nutosphere is getting all frothy about it, as per the usual, but it's all playing out on the same double standard they always use. For starters, not one of them said shit when John McCain got John

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Re: Part II

[jesus_h_biscuit]

I'm a Fox-watching conservative.
That's one is on you, not me. I likened behavior and tone I found synonymous and called that out, but stated nothing as cut and dry or emphatic as the insult you suggest.

And for the record, no. You couldn't even manage to agree to disagree on the majority of points we've discussed, and because I don't agree with you that Hillary's experience makes her a more qualified candidate than Obama, you won't see beyond that. You did the exact same thing with atldaddybear in this thread. I don't agree with you about her, George - I do not - but so what! You don't have to agree with me, that's never been a prerequisite on my part. I respect your right to support your candidate of choice, but not the choice of delivery you've used to make your points in response to others as you have here with me.

I don't think you really wanted to hear me out, I think you just want me to agree with you and I'm somehow wrong if I don't. I gave back here as good as what I got from you and even took more care to answer your points and questions, however rhetorical, but that doesn't matter at all because I don't agree with you.

And you're done, so really - none of this even matters. Hope the weather is nice for you on Mount "I'm Right, You're Wrong, Period."

Re: Part II

[hickbear]

Thank you. It's been a slap-me-silly (or sillier) weekend around our house, and I've had neither the energy nor the temperament to try to have a dialog with someone who only really wants a yes-man to his monologue.

Thank you, sweetie. Should I ever make it back down to Columbus, or you make it to Nashville or (if things work the way we want) Toronto in the future, I believe there will be a bottle of a yummy Duckhorn merlot waiting on you.

Re: Part II

[jesus_h_biscuit]

No thanks required, just pointing out what I saw.

MMMM - vin rouge!

Re: Part II

[hickbear]

Well, yeah, from my perspective, thanks were required. Then again, I'm so Suthun I'm my own 4th cousin, so I tend to "thank" at the drop of a hat. :-}}}}

My dustup with George on Friday night, and then this "discussion" today, has made me think of the following:

Re: Part II

[jesus_h_biscuit]

I feel you on the Southern propensity for graciousness.

George is defending his position, bottom line, no matter how much we may disagree with his content or delivery. I think all of this is bigger than us combined, and like I told him in the comment below, we're all on edge here with so much to lose and so much already lost.

Re: Part II

[hickbear]

I figure I got a double-dose of the Good Social Graces gene thanks to my grandparents being second cousins. :-}}}}

And yep. The prospect of Bushy McClone having at least 4 years to make Supreme Court nominations - and you know that the next President is going to have at least one or two to name, if not more, in the next 4 years - that prospect alone prevents me from proclaiming that I'd never vote for the Dem nominee if they weren't "mine".

Not that I have a "mine", much as George wants to think otherwise. Yes, we voted for Obama in the Tennessee primary, which, BTW, Clinton won. Yes, I think Obama will be a better opponent against the Republicans because Clinton will bring out the Great Unwashed Masses who will knee-jerk a vote against her simply because of her husband.

Would those same Great Unwashed Masses also vote for McCain over Obama? You betcha. But Obama won't motivate the amount of nemesis that Clinton would and will. And, I believe, Obama will generate his own enthusiastic following - hell, he already has - to offset more than enough of the "Ain't no half-nigger gonna be my President" Neanderthal bigots who would crawl out of the woodwork to vote.

The bottom line, for me, is that we've got to guaran-damn-fucking-tee that McClone and his veep choice have no chance to wreak any more havoc on this country. If that means I've got cast my ballot for a white woman whose tactics I disagree with, or a black man whose associates don't exactly give me warm fuzzies, it doesn't matter. Either way, we've got to ensure that McCain is McCan't. And McWon't. And McNeverWill.

Re: Part II

[jesus_h_biscuit]

Of course it was, I'm writing on my own blog what I choose, which is a lot like being naked if I choose to be in my own house. It wasn't about you, I never singled you out for scrutiny, in fact I never threw this in your lap to begin with and said "Here - start a discussion or throw a punch". Fine, you think there's a cause for concern and I'm not begrudging you that - I just think it's baseless, personally. Again, SO WHAT - don't take it so personally, this is all bigger than both of us combined. Your first response was personal as it meant enough to you to respond, and your delivery was considerably less than mere disagreement - I actually found it a bit caustic. Which is fine, I'm not Mary Fuckin' Sunshine either. You seem to be suggesting that I somehow came out of the gate insulting you. No.

I understand that, and I don't disagree on that point at all - I'd be frustrated as hell too if I were in your shoes for those very reasons, especially where her higher ranking supporters are really sinking her ship. Obama has had me just as frustrated before, so I sympathize to that end. I'm not seeing him personally throwing the race card that you do, however. I'm also unconvinced that the entire congregation of that church sees white devils exclusively instead of white people. If I did see it that way, perhaps I'd share your anger over it - but I don't think that is taking a very realistic view. You're painting with a very broad brush on that one in my opinion.

I'm not insulted, George - nor offended. I rarely bother with that sort of stuff because I've had to force myself to not take things personally most of the time when it feels like I am. It takes a lot to insult or offend me, in part because I've lived on the fringe most of my life and have a ton of shit in my past that made me have to toughen up when I was young just to survive. The part about me not being harmless here I'm not sure I understand - I assume that to mean I've been insulting or offensive as well. I'll take that, but please understand that if I've insulted or offended it's only been my way of making my point the way it makes sense to me. I come off a great deal more harshly than I intend to now and then, but when you get down to it I'm kind of a harsh guy. I don't have a filter for that unfortunately sometimes.

I don't think this is nonsense - I believe these things all matter. What I'm most concerned with right now is that I think you're getting where I was about a week ago, and that's not a good place to be. There is so much at stake in this upcoming election, and there is so much that is just COMPLETELY fucked up. We're so beaten down at what we've seen our country become, and we're all hyper defensive about the things we feel are sacred. I UNDERSTAND THAT PROFOUNDLY. I spent most of last week stressed out, in frustrated tears, and losing hope that it's ever going to get better - and I hit a wall with all of this politics shit. I really hope you nor anyone gets depressed as I have about this stuff, because it started taking a toll on my physical, psychological, and emotional health.

If Hillary gets the nomination, she'll have my support. I've said that from day 1. I have to believe that whomever gets it, they cannot do worse than the Republicans who've successfully destroyed all that I thought was good about my country.