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Oct 13, 2004 11:40


THE ULTIMATE SILENCE
October 12, 1998


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brahe October 12 2004, 19:45:37 UTC
Was that here? Or in the US?

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smegdogg October 12 2004, 20:25:38 UTC
The US. I was incredibly unmoved by it because just a year prior my cousin was brutally murder for looking like someone else and that didn't get any media coverage.

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brahe October 12 2004, 20:34:37 UTC
I actually know a friend (Aussie) who got beat up when he was in the US in 2001 because of the hype about 'foreigners' after the World Trade Centre attack. *sigh*

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smegdogg October 12 2004, 20:51:38 UTC
See, this is what happens when our forefathers solve the problem of taxation by starting a war.

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shadow_empire October 12 2004, 21:24:21 UTC
I must admit I'm fairly unmoved by that... people are killed all the time for one thing or another. being a different colour, being white, being a female, being a nazi, jewish etc. etc.

s'life unfortunatly

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jessindistress October 12 2004, 23:23:13 UTC
So yes. Let's just stick our heads in the sand and not care, eh? Because, eh, it happens, hey?

No. Fuck that. Do you even know what they did to him? Maybe you should educate yourself before being dismissive.

Matthew wasn't a random casualty in a war- he was killed because of who he was. Because he was gay. Because he wasn't ashamed of being gay. Hate crimes aren't just about hate- they're a way of victimising an entire community of people- because it could have been any other gay person, couldn't it ( ... )

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shadow_empire October 12 2004, 23:28:16 UTC
I just don't want to take on the emotion of things that I can't change/alter or fix... I can't handle it anymore and so I've become apathetic. Now I worry solely about me and my friends/family directly and thats it. Keeps my mind in check

Sorri if i sounded dismissive but thats just how i feel now. I'm not going to worry about it unless it affects me or those people i care about from now on

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jessindistress October 12 2004, 23:47:07 UTC
Well... don't bitch about the rest of the world turning their back on you then, d00d. You're just doing your bit, too.

~Jess

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FYI brahe October 12 2004, 21:49:22 UTC
You might be interested in my last post

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Re: FYI jessindistress October 12 2004, 23:54:12 UTC
THANKYOU!

OMG. It's even worse than it looked initially.

And... the stuff about the speaking in tongues crap makes me think: Cult. Very dodgy cult shit.

Some of the comments are beautiful. :)

~Jess

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Re: FYI brahe October 13 2004, 00:18:42 UTC
I wonder how they'd view me. I'm not white, I'm not christian, I have kids, I'm not married, I have gay/lesbian/bi friends, etc. etc.. the list goes on. I'm from the "satanic Orient" (which they use to include most of Asia, not just what we consider to be the Orient)

Maybe I oughta watch my back!

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Re: FYI jessindistress October 13 2004, 00:23:25 UTC
*nods*

It kills me. They wouldn't like me much, either- I'm female, I'm bi, I have a kid, I'm not married, and I have friends who are all these things and more.

"Satanic?" OMFG.

I suppose, though, if their crap was true and we were going to go to hell, at least we wouldn't have to put up with the likes of them.

~Jess

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sylvertongue October 12 2004, 21:51:41 UTC
I must admit I'm a little bit boggled by the apathy above, so I thought I'd add a positive comment. Thanks for posting - Shepard shouldn't be forgotten.

I remember the first time I came across his story - must have been three years ago. I cried then, at the crime, but mostly for what his family and his community did to take the tragedy and turn the spotlight on the prevelance and result of homophobia in the world.

This attitude of "oh well someone died, so what?" ... I'm a little incredulous.

It's a beautiful photo, isn't it?

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shadow_empire October 12 2004, 22:41:06 UTC
but why focus on this one person? turn the spotlight on him when 10 of thousands of people die everyday... death is spread across the tv daily and i spose people are just desensitised... people stop caring...

sure bashing people who are gay is wrong, killing them is worse... but so are alot of things in this world

perhaps its a case of sensory overload? were all supposed to care about everyone and everything... perhaps people are all about of empathy?

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jessindistress October 12 2004, 23:04:23 UTC
D00d.

We're not just talking about someone who was killed and happened to be gay- we're talking about someone who was killed in a fucking horrendous manner because they were gay.

Yes, people do die all the time. I should know enough about that, shouldn't I? Point being, there's a bloody big difference between most people dying and someone dying because of a fucking hate crime that was directed solely at them for something they couldn't help- and which isn't hurting anyone.

Then there's the fact that even at Matthew's funeral, fucking bigots had to go and be disrespectful prats there, too. To have such utter hatred for a human being based on one characteristic about them, and to think they're worthy of the worst possible treatment while alive (and then in the afterlife that these folks believe in) is disgusting.

This did not happen in any old place, either. This happened in a country which prides itself on freedom and individuality.

Matthew Shepard's murder wasn't just a gay rights issue- it was a human rights issue. Because ( ... )

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