Jan 28, 2010 17:44
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And about working hard, I work hard and my family work hard and we are all liberals. And there are plenty of us hardworking liberals out there. Now, I can't speak for all liberals/everyone but what my family wants is for Health Care to be available to all people, for our dollars to be put to good use at home and in our government, to not fear a war-thirsty government, to feel safe both in terms of outside threats as well as threats from each other and our government. i.e. You seem to confuse being liberal with wanting to be controlled, it's just the opposite, we want freedom. I guess your vision of freedom differs from ours.
I understand that you don't like Obama, but please don't assume that all liberals are lazy assholes. We all want to live in a Utopian society, it's just a matter of perspective whether or not that Utopia is liberal or conservative.
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And, no I'm not confusing being a Liberal with wanting to be controlled. I know Liberals don't want to be controlled. They want to control everyone else. That's why they are keeping the poor people down, so they can rise to the top. Teachers are dumbing down their students in their little formed unions. The Liberals want big government, and more taxes (only for the wealthy, of course). They put crazy taxes on small businesses and give them no incentives. Small and privately owned businesses are what this country thrives on, not corrupt big businesses ran by the government.
You're missing my point. I didn't say that all Liberals are lazy and I didn't assume it either. However, I do not see how one can be a Liberal without the mindset that they are entitled to things they have not earned.
Lastly, I would like to address that little thing you threw in there about a "war-thirsty" government. That is a ridiculous statement and you have again proved my point about Liberals. Bush did not declare war on Iraq because he thought it would be fun. Our country was attacked by vicious terrorists, and almost 3,000 innocent Americans were killed on 911. Families were broken apart forever. Some would never get to see their children grow up. We went to war with Iraq to stand up for this country and to PROTECT ourselves against these insane terrorists. But, you Liberals would have wanted us to go the Obama way and "sit down and talk to them". Because, clearly, they respect us so much and would be willing to have a chat with us. Wrong.
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I don't wish to control everyone else, I do like being heard however and I must say that I am glad we're having a discussion on these topics, though I wish you wouldn't label me as being "typical" and thusly take this discussion into the uncivil realm. But in terms of control, let's say for instance I am pro-choice (for example) that doesn't mean I say everyone must have an abortion or even needs to believe in it, I would want for there to be the option. However, this is another argument entirely, considering the fact that many think that abortion is murder. But when someone doesn't, they should be allowed to take their dealings into their own hands and do as they please. With taxes, my father was still liberal and making well over $200,000 a year, so believe me, we were paying out the nose for taxes. And as for small businesses, I don't know that Republicans care too terribly much about small businesses either.
By using the word lazy I meant to reinterpret your idea about being entitled to so much. You want honesty, here goes, no matter what form government takes, I will never be able to sit on my ass and have things given to me. What I do think, however, is that as a country we should be more inclined to help our people. Whether or not anyone will take that upon ourselves, I don't know.
As for "war-thirsty" I wasn't really referring to anyone in particular. I was simply saying that Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative I don't want to have to fear that war will take my friends, or set foot on our soil. And no, I don't believe that terrorists would sit down and have a normal discussion with anyone. Anyone who is willing to hijack planes and kill thousands of people is a fucking nut-job. I just wish that we didn't have to deal with wars all-together. The problem is, that our world, just like our government, is an extension of our past. And people, by nature, are warlike. I just wish we weren't.
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I do agree with you in that our country has lost a sense of togetherness. The want to help others in not as evident as it once was. People have become extremely selfish, self-centered and closed-minded, but that's a whole other topic in itself.
And, I don't think anyone enjoys warfare, but sometimes there is no other way. I do agree with you on another point int that history repeays itself and we need to be watching that more carefully.
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I figured as much about the abortion issue, but I'm happy to see that there are some Conservatives who believe a woman should be able to receive one when raped. If my boyfriend and I got pregnant I would have to double think an abortion, but if I was not able to get one when raped, I would feel so helpless and angry.
Indeed, people are truly selfish. Being human makes everyone intrinsically selfish, but it's become ridiculous. But yes, another topic entirely. (Abortion was too, but I tried to find a way to illustrate the point about freedoms).
I don't know that people enjoy war either, unless very far removed from it. And even then it may not be enjoyment coming directly from war but from that which war might gain you: spoils. I just meant that peoples of all times have engaged in war and it terrifies me that I'll loose more people I know in the war now and in wars to come.
Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. I appreciated getting into your head and vice versa. It's something everyone needs to do more often. :)
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P.S. Still urging you to come over from the "dark side". (:
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