whatever.... soulcracker
I know I said that my last post about them was the "final word" or the last time I was going to talk about it, but now the board's shut down so I have more to say...
I feel horrible about a lot that happened...
but to say that it's my fault that Sutton isn't in a band anymore... It's not my fault, it's his.
I wanted to see Sutton continue in music just as much, if not more, then everyone else.
And if Kelly gave him an ultimatum or something... either stay married to her and quit music or join another band and she leaves... then she's just stupid. She's stupid if she thinks that making him quit belonging to a band will stop him from cheating on her. Even if he doesn't have an opportunity to cheat the problems are still going to be there that causes him to do it.
And she knew long before me that he cheats on her and continues to do so. On their last tour they all broke up with their girlfriends together so they could get laid everynight. That's probably what they were using Sutton's little black book for. Then, when the tour ended, they all got back together with their girlfriends. Personally, I don't get their girlfriends at all. No matter how much I liked someone, or thought they were cute, I would never get back with someone after they disrespected me like that. I don't think their girlfriends really care if they cheat on them though. I talked to one of Sutton's ex girlfriends on the board, who was talking to him a couple years ago, during the time the show was being taped. And Sutton told her that Kelly was just using him to get famous. He would also lie to Kelly during the tour and tell her he lost his cell phone charger so he couldn't call her, but he'd call this other girl and let her read the emails Kelly sent him when they broke up. He treats Kelly with absolutely no respect.
Kitty, I'm not surprised that you choose your "friendship" with the band over yours with me, not at all. And to tell the truth I don't want yours anymore anyway. I haven't since after NY, even when I told you there were no hard feelings, I didn't want it. I don't know how you can tell someone that you don't care if you hurt them and then expect them to still want to be your friend. I don't know how that works. And I'm the one person that defended you when nobody else would. But I'm not going to be bitter because I did the right thing.
I'm sorry if I caused bad reflection on you, but the whole thing really has nothing to do with you. You didn't introduce me to Sutton or anyone else in the band. And you're reaction is how it's affected you? Yeah I'm sure this whole thing has been really hard on YOU.
I think that the band has been over for a long time really anyway. I know Bob posted that they didn't break up but I just don't think they are being completely honest. But I'm not even sure that they were all honest with each other... Ramsey emailed people saying it was going to be the last show... Bob's letter to Kitty that I read (written right after Ramsey's post) that seemed to confirm that they were done.
We all went to NY and Bob's cousin told us that they officially broke up and they didn't even want to play those 2 last shows but they couldn't get out of it. But he also said that they were still going to record that last 5 song cd... and Ramsey writing "rip"... but then Sutton and AP seemed to have no idea that they were breaking up... still we all thought it was over, then Bob posted that they were not breaking up and going to play more, etc... But some fans, that I know still have contact with band members, said they were broke up... I've wondered at times if it isn't just another one of their games, it doesn't seem like they have been completely honest, but it's all getting so old that I just don't care anymore.
I'm sorry that things ended up the way the did, but I don't know how they could have been any different. For me it was never about trying to get close to someone that might be potentially famous. It was about being with someone that I was falling in love with... and he knew how I felt, or I think he did. Maybe he didn't. He knew, for me, it wasn't a one night stand though. And I knew that nothing more could come of it, but I still couldn't help the way I felt.
But I don't even know if the Sutton I got to know is the real Sutton, I have a lot of doubts about that. And I've realized how many people he's hurt.
I know I've done some wrong things, and now I'm trying to do the right thing. If I'm wrong about it being right, then I'm sorry.
As far as the board goes... the same shit's been going on for years and now they are going to decide it's wrong and close down the board... whatever... How many people knew that Sutton became the board's moderator about the same time the last official tour ended?
But he doesn't believe in censorship, and the only threads I ever saw deleted were ones that implied that some of the haters could be band members.
It's funny how when it's about them it's wrong, but when it was about us, it was funny. And don't give me that bull that we can't prove that any of the haters may have been friends with band members and that some of the crap didn't come from the band.
Some of the haters are definitely just idiots trying to bullshit, but some of them definitely did know the band. They knew too much info.
Siren and Quency had something to do with those young blonde girls in florida that hooked up with Ramsey and AP. We saw one in the hallway asking Ramsey if he liked the cookies she baked for him. That's too fucking funny. Anyway, Quency used to pm me and she told me lots of shit. And they had to have known the band, cause they knew too much. I don't know exactly why they were so pissed off. But from what she told me it had something to do with Ramsey telling the girl that he slept with in fl that he and Ashley were breaking up. He told her that and then she slept with him I guess. And it was confirmed to me by another girl from the board (I won't give her identity since she doesn't hide behind a fake name), who doesn't know Quency or Siren, that Ramsey told her the same thing, that he and Ashley were breaking up. And he told this other girl that at about the same time as he told it to the girl in fl so I'm assuming it's true...
I'm not calling Ramsey a liar or anything, I don't know what Ramsey's intentions were. Maybe he and Ashley were having problems and they were close to breaking up, maybe they worked through them, I wouldn't know. All I know is when I was in LA the first time, in October, all thier girlfriends (Ram's, Sut's and Bob's) were at some of the shows and they were all acting bitchy... just sat at the bar, didn't talk to anyone, and watched their boyfriends. But when I went back to LA in January, (after the fl show in December), Ashley was very outgoing and nice to us. Kelly was still a bitch. Actually, she's nice to girls that she doesn't consider a threat to her relationship with Sutton. But she was very rude to me. Bob's girlfriend wasn't around the second time.
Bob, I'm sorry that all the shit ended up on the board, that was never my intention.
I don't know what else to say, except I'm sorry.
I feel horrible about a lot that happened...
but to say that it's my fault that Sutton isn't in a band anymore... It's not my fault, it's his.
I wanted to see Sutton continue in music just as much, if not more, then everyone else.
And if Kelly gave him an ultimatum or something... either stay married to her and quit music or join another band and she leaves... then she's just stupid. She's stupid if she thinks that making him quit belonging to a band will stop him from cheating on her. Even if he doesn't have an opportunity to cheat the problems are still going to be there that causes him to do it.
And she knew long before me that he cheats on her and continues to do so. On their last tour they all broke up with their girlfriends together so they could get laid everynight. That's probably what they were using Sutton's little black book for. Then, when the tour ended, they all got back together with their girlfriends. Personally, I don't get their girlfriends at all. No matter how much I liked someone, or thought they were cute, I would never get back with someone after they disrespected me like that. I don't think their girlfriends really care if they cheat on them though. I talked to one of Sutton's ex girlfriends on the board, who was talking to him a couple years ago, during the time the show was being taped. And Sutton told her that Kelly was just using him to get famous. He would also lie to Kelly during the tour and tell her he lost his cell phone charger so he couldn't call her, but he'd call this other girl and let her read the emails Kelly sent him when they broke up. He treats Kelly with absolutely no respect.
Kitty, I'm not surprised that you choose your "friendship" with the band over yours with me, not at all. And to tell the truth I don't want yours anymore anyway. I haven't since after NY, even when I told you there were no hard feelings, I didn't want it. I don't know how you can tell someone that you don't care if you hurt them and then expect them to still want to be your friend. I don't know how that works. And I'm the one person that defended you when nobody else would. But I'm not going to be bitter because I did the right thing.
I'm sorry if I caused bad reflection on you, but the whole thing really has nothing to do with you. You didn't introduce me to Sutton or anyone else in the band. And you're reaction is how it's affected you? Yeah I'm sure this whole thing has been really hard on YOU.
I think that the band has been over for a long time really anyway. I know Bob posted that they didn't break up but I just don't think they are being completely honest. But I'm not even sure that they were all honest with each other... Ramsey emailed people saying it was going to be the last show... Bob's letter to Kitty that I read (written right after Ramsey's post) that seemed to confirm that they were done.
We all went to NY and Bob's cousin told us that they officially broke up and they didn't even want to play those 2 last shows but they couldn't get out of it. But he also said that they were still going to record that last 5 song cd... and Ramsey writing "rip"... but then Sutton and AP seemed to have no idea that they were breaking up... still we all thought it was over, then Bob posted that they were not breaking up and going to play more, etc... But some fans, that I know still have contact with band members, said they were broke up... I've wondered at times if it isn't just another one of their games, it doesn't seem like they have been completely honest, but it's all getting so old that I just don't care anymore.
I'm sorry that things ended up the way the did, but I don't know how they could have been any different. For me it was never about trying to get close to someone that might be potentially famous. It was about being with someone that I was falling in love with... and he knew how I felt, or I think he did. Maybe he didn't. He knew, for me, it wasn't a one night stand though. And I knew that nothing more could come of it, but I still couldn't help the way I felt.
But I don't even know if the Sutton I got to know is the real Sutton, I have a lot of doubts about that. And I've realized how many people he's hurt.
I know I've done some wrong things, and now I'm trying to do the right thing. If I'm wrong about it being right, then I'm sorry.
As far as the board goes... the same shit's been going on for years and now they are going to decide it's wrong and close down the board... whatever... How many people knew that Sutton became the board's moderator about the same time the last official tour ended?
But he doesn't believe in censorship, and the only threads I ever saw deleted were ones that implied that some of the haters could be band members.
It's funny how when it's about them it's wrong, but when it was about us, it was funny. And don't give me that bull that we can't prove that any of the haters may have been friends with band members and that some of the crap didn't come from the band.
Some of the haters are definitely just idiots trying to bullshit, but some of them definitely did know the band. They knew too much info.
Siren and Quency had something to do with those young blonde girls in florida that hooked up with Ramsey and AP. We saw one in the hallway asking Ramsey if he liked the cookies she baked for him. That's too fucking funny. Anyway, Quency used to pm me and she told me lots of shit. And they had to have known the band, cause they knew too much. I don't know exactly why they were so pissed off. But from what she told me it had something to do with Ramsey telling the girl that he slept with in fl that he and Ashley were breaking up. He told her that and then she slept with him I guess. And it was confirmed to me by another girl from the board (I won't give her identity since she doesn't hide behind a fake name), who doesn't know Quency or Siren, that Ramsey told her the same thing, that he and Ashley were breaking up. And he told this other girl that at about the same time as he told it to the girl in fl so I'm assuming it's true...
I'm not calling Ramsey a liar or anything, I don't know what Ramsey's intentions were. Maybe he and Ashley were having problems and they were close to breaking up, maybe they worked through them, I wouldn't know. All I know is when I was in LA the first time, in October, all thier girlfriends (Ram's, Sut's and Bob's) were at some of the shows and they were all acting bitchy... just sat at the bar, didn't talk to anyone, and watched their boyfriends. But when I went back to LA in January, (after the fl show in December), Ashley was very outgoing and nice to us. Kelly was still a bitch. Actually, she's nice to girls that she doesn't consider a threat to her relationship with Sutton. But she was very rude to me. Bob's girlfriend wasn't around the second time.
Bob, I'm sorry that all the shit ended up on the board, that was never my intention.
I don't know what else to say, except I'm sorry.