My politcal background renewed my thinking...

[jen_bunny]

So, for those of you who didn't know up until Nov. 4th I was going to vote yes on Proposition 8. Now, while I stood in the voting booth I reflected at my 3 years as a political science major and debated with myself and the many years I was raised as a catholic, taught what is good by God and what not but my vote flipped when I remembered what Dr.

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[unkyrich]

One big difference between the LDS and the Catholic Church in this endeavor, however, is that the LDS members OUTSIDE OF CA spent money in favor of this proposition.

Not that I would ever condone prejudice against anyone based solely on religion (save for Scientology, but that's for another time), though again there is a difference between hating everyone in a church and merely resigning your own membership in it (like wintersweet did).

I guess the equivalent would be . . . ironically . . . that Utah was founded because the rest of the country at the time didn't want to recognize their viewpoint on marriage - and their interference in what should be a CA state manner kind of ticked people off.

(See my earlier comment, one paragraph up, though, that prejudice is never okay.)

I hope that made sense . . .

Rich

[jen_bunny]

Yes but many organizations outside of california also spent money on No of the propostion. And money can't vote, people do. Whether or not the money helped influence them is up to them because every religious person knows that God gave us the precious gift of reason and thought. I rather aim at the member's of these churches hearts than on paper.

And marriage wasn't the ONLY reason why they were casted out of society. How dare they MAKE UP their own bible! Personally, mormans are one cup of koolaid shy of being a cult but I'll still give them respect. Heck they were one of the LAST churches to accept african americans into their churches but they eventually did. I think we can show the churches that the people will overcome their thinking.

[gothboiblinkie]

First off honey, I do agree with you and am sorry for my words. It is something I am passionate about and did not mean to call you. But, I am sorry none the less.

I have not heard of people doing anything to churches but if people are, that's wrong.

Though, keep in mind Yes on 8 supporters had to be escorted away from the polls because they had signs and were telling people how to vote in front of the polls.

Pretty much the extremes of both sides are horrible. Those involved often forget they are dealing with living, breathing and caring human beings and its a lot more then politics and religion on the line.

[ext_4728]

I'd like to thank you for your choice to vote no on this.

[unrulygirl]

Jen, I don't meant this to be offensive at all, but you are the perfect example of the ignorance that caused this prop to pass. Because people have this idea in their head about the definition of marriage and they don't realize that all marriage is is a legal contract between 2 people. It's not religious!! Marriage is a made-up term, and the only difference it makes legally is to protect your partner and your assets in case somebody dies, or to grant them decision-making authority, etc etc. If everyone just woke up and realized that, it would not have passed! Because I know you don't hate gays, and you believe that people of all races, sexes, orientations, religions, etc deserve to be treated equally. Maybe there are thousands more like you, and if they had the knowledge that it isn't about re-defining any part of anybody's religious beliefs, Prop 8 would not have passed. It just sickens me that it's 2008 and there is still no equality amoungst all human beings

[unkyrich]

Just curious on how this can't be taken as offensive

[unrulygirl]

Ignorance is not stupidity, and it's not an insult to say someone is ignorant. It just means that they are unaware... and unfortunately, too many people are ignorant of the fact that such a thing as "separation of church and state" exists. It absolutely is a matter of semantics, and to discriminate against certain groups because of the definition of a word is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous would be to change your whole view point because you share it with someone that insulted you. The argument that gay marriage "infringes on religious freedom" is the most pathetic justification for hatred I have ever heard. Would the voting turnout have been different if the state changed the word from "marriage" to "civil union"? I hope not. I hope the fate of these couples' wasn't determined by something as trivial as a word. I understand bigotry and hatred counted for a lot of those Yes votes, but for those that claim to accept and love all people, it would be heart breaking to think they denied human rights to others because of the

[unkyrich]

Would the voting turnout have been different if the state changed the word from "marriage" to "civil union"?Over the past four years, I've spoken to a lot of people who probably voted on Prop 8, and when they brought up the biblical side of marriage, I asked if these people (who I do believe are good people, in all other circumstances) thought it was right, ethical, or even Christian-like to deny the basic legal rights to gay couples, each of them said no