Jelgate's Two Cents-Divided
We all knew this was coming. It was obvious from day 1 when Rush stranded everyone on the Destiny. Its inevitable when to different kind of people are stuck in a common area. Its inevitable that these kind of people will begin to clash and makes changes. And because I read spoilers I knew a huge confrontation but for it to happen like this was ( Read more... )
The whole dream sequence was so yawn worthy.
Think of it like this: Chloe and Rush could have just told each other about it, and we'd believe it. But it's better to show. I'm sure you've heard of "show don't tell" - it puts us in her shoes as far as the nightmare is concerned, and it truly moves her. I think without the dream sequence we would find it suddenly convenient that Rush had a transmitter. Think of the nightmare as a type of foreshadowing. While I agree it could have been more spooky, it had its place in the show.
Come on we know he would have done it if it wasn't for the intervention of Wray.
I don't think he would have wanted to let them die simply because Young wouldn't let him hear the end of it. I doubt Wray, alone, had anything to do with it, especially because Chloe also gave her impassioned plea to not knock off her boyfriend. It was also a twofer as far as Rush was concerned - get rid of the secondary ship as well employ the plan Wray and he designed; basically, more of a strategic move than a show of desensitization.
<> I just find it hard to swallow that all the civilians were going to be against Young and the military.
But you just said "We all knew this was coming". XD I don't find it that hard to believe. When you're in a predicament long enough, you forget what's really important: survival. They essentially just forgot that it's important to care about each other as everyone is important, and I really hate that they didn't think the plan all the way through. I, personally, would let the military run things, as much as I hate the military. I would only do it because I know they'd be better trained than me… but the civilians get what they deserve: they were acting very greedy, selfish, and ignorant.
While it is defiantly true that a civilized society is run by civilian control. Destiny is not a separate country.
… "Definitely"? XD First of all, the way Wray said that is really wrong and also another form of ignorance, and it reeeeeally pissed me off about this episode. It used to be that way in America, where the civilians ran the government by vote and bill. Now it's not like that. Courts can veto and override what civilians say now, so basically, there or here, the government sadly runs everything. Plus, Destiny is a separate country. In an earlier episode, someone advised Wray that no matter what her superiors advised her to do, they were alone on the Destiny. And that's simply a matter of fact. In no way could Earth control what happens on the Destiny as much as I could adjust the moon's orbit.
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I'm playing the devil's advocate with this one, but I earnestly think as far as Chloe is concerned, she's not as dumb and ditzy as she appears, and finds more reasoning in civilian leadership. No one ever said being stuck on the same boat wouldn't have its consequences, and I'm pretty sure Chloe felt a little closer to Rush because of their predicament.
It also shows that Eli is a better poker player then I thought.
And here's another thought for you: why don't you think it very shocking that Eli sided with the military? (Technically, he didn't, but…) He helped them in buying them time and okayed their use of the scheme, which implies he thinks Rush is in the wrong. So why would the guy who's been basically glued to Rush's side the whole show go against him? Not disagreeing, just enforcing some other-sided thought. I can already tell what side you're on. ^_~
A military mindset would be to fire with all of what you got.
And this is a very typical mindset of anti-military, as I, too, agree that they're very shoot first, ask questions later. But, and devil's advocate again, I'm sure that Young has won you over even a bit and I don't know you. Young is very unlike that typical American military tactic, and only ever stops Rush when he knows Rush is getting in over his head. Remember, Young is a colonel, and has lots of years of training with leading people and taking care of them. I think everyone is in his best interest, but there's too much controversy aboard to let the pig-headed, anti-militist people see him in that light.
This conflict is far from over as long as the civilian feel oppressed they are going to resist.
And now I'm just going to complain at you, since I know your thoughts have been from the heart, but OH MY GOD, why do the civilians think getting weapons and locking people off is the correct way to go about anything? It's the same as the military way. Greer was completely out of line when he forced the civilians to the ground, and they really ought to share responsibility. As much as I enjoy Young and his choices, I often think that's his primary fault, that he doesn't trust the civilians enough. Of course, why should he? He does let them help where they need to and gives them weapons (like in Time) to defend themselves, but really, if they're just going to turn on the military, what's the point? I say the military is better off leading them only because they have the training, not because they have the muscle and weapons. That's kind of why I hate the civilians and Wray at this point - because they don't realise what's good for them.
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Eli seemed really stressed out and bitter at Young in Space. Honestly I did not know which way he wad going to lean in Divided. I am kind of confused on the rest of what you are trying to say
I can agree with this.
I honestly don't think the civilians thought the long term aspects of this. They felt oppressed (rather if its true or not)and just had to do something to get control. It wasn't very well thought out. I don't know if Greer was out of line. He was just trying to calm the civilians down. Its quite simliar what happen in riot situations. To calm the peace. I think Young civilians fine as long as your name isn't Dr. Rush. As for Young have the training that is obvious
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I get the point of the nightmare and it what it was trying to show. It was trying to show Chloe's tramua and her fear that the aliens would return. But the sequence of the dream and even the music didn't mesh with me. I found it dull. And I usually like the music on SGU
If he let them die he wouldn't be hearing anything from Young:P Anyway I agree that it was in part of both Wray and Chloe but Rush has shown he has no problem risking lives for his "greater good." In addition he knew the risk if he did not get full control of the ship. As evident by Eli having control of life support.
I know it was coming that their were massive frictions between the groups as evident by previous episode and Space but I find it hard to think all of them were dissatsified with Young. Some like say Volkner always seemed with content on Young's leadership. The rest I agree with
Lets leave real world politics out of this. A wise man once told me, "Politics, religion, and ethic. No matter what you say someone is offended." Maybe they are outside Earth's control but they should still be bound by the laws they agreed to when they joing the Stargte program. What is the point of living if we abandon who we are?
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